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Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

Postby fragrant herbs » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:08 pm

"'There's no need for you to give up', said the Buddha. 'You should not abandon your search for liberation just because you seem to yourself to be thick witted. You can drop all philosophy you've been given and repeat a mantra instead – one that I will now give you.' [Majjhima Nikaya, in Bancroft, 2010:47]"

i found the above online. can anyone explain it to me since it is said that buddha didn't teach mantra? isn't the majjhima nikaya in the pali canon?

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

Postby Prasadachitta » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:43 pm

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

Postby PeterB » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:58 pm

It may well be that finding an accommodation between The Trikaya Doctrine ( which by the way does not posit an inherent nature in the sense of an atta.....The Kayas arise ultimately from Shunyata ) and the Pali Canon is problematic.
Which is why a pan- Buddhism in terms of outcome and shared aspiration and mutual respect might be desirable , but there are real differences in the underlying philosophies.

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

Postby manas » Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:49 pm

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

Postby PeterB » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:15 am

:goodpost:

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

Postby Sylvester » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:18 am

:anjali:

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

Postby Ben » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:20 am

Thank you Sylvester that is excellent!
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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

Postby DarwidHalim » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:56 am

Based on what I know there is no mantra meditation in Theravada vehicle. Although, in meditation, there is a technique like chanting Buddho, Buddho, etc., that is not a mantra that we are talking about.

In Hinduism, Mahayana, and Vajrayana, you can find it.

Every mantra in sanskrit has a meaning symbolically. In Mahayana, there are 10 level of bodhisatta. Each level of boddhisatva, for example level 7, already free from rebirth and have exceptional ability to see past life to certain amount, he still cannot make a mantra. Only bodhisattva level 8 up to Buddha can make mantra. This information can be found in Kalu Rinpoche book.

The way the mantra work is related to our subtle energy in our chakra, kundalini, etc.

In Theravada, so far I never find this information. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The big question is Did Buddha teach mantra meditation?

If we believe that all Buddha teaching are only in Pali text, the answer probably is no.

But, if we believe that Buddha teaching is so wide and appear in Pali, Sankrit, or other languages, the answer is yes.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

Postby DarwidHalim » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:16 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

Postby DarwidHalim » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:45 am

Thank you. It is correct that the term is designated by Mahayanist. I found it in the Internet.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

Postby fragrant herbs » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:41 pm

Thanks Sylvester. That certainly is not a mantra.

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

Postby Prasadachitta » Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:21 pm

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

Postby PeterB » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:42 pm

The Theravada would agree with your assessment.
The Mahayana would not. The latter sees Buddhadhatu or Tathgatagharba ( Buddha nature ) as "the indestructible essence, the true nature of all beings "....Mahaparanirvana Sutra.
And they see it as a priori to D.O.

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Re: Did Buddha Teach Mantra Meditation?

Postby Prasadachitta » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:34 pm

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332


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