Oh, right. You mean like this?Matylda wrote:Of koz it was a nonsense... my proposal is very simple stick to dharma not to the views which are distorted right from the beginning...
Sn 4.7 PTS: Sn 814-823
Tissa Metteyya Sutta: Tissa Metteyya
translated from the Pali by
"Tell the danger, dear sir,
for one given over
to sexual intercourse.
Having heard your teaching,
we'll train in seclusion."
"In one given over
to sexual intercourse,
the teaching's confused
and he practices wrongly:
this is ignoble
Whoever once went alone,
but then resorts
to sexual intercourse
— like a carriage out of control —
is called vile in the world,
a person run-of-the-mill.
His earlier honor & dignity:
he should train himself
to abandon sexual intercourse.
Overcome by resolves,
like a miserable wretch.
Hearing the scorn of others,
He makes weapons,
attacked by the words of others.
This, for him, is a great entanglement.
They thought him wise
when he committed himself
to the life alone,
but now that he's given
to sexual intercourse
they declare him a fool.
Seeing these drawbacks, the sage
here — before & after —
stays firm in the life alone;
doesn't resort to sexual intercourse;
would train himself
in seclusion —
this, for the noble ones, is
He wouldn't, because of that,
better than others:
He's on the verge
in sensual pleasures,
envy him: free,
leading his life
unconcerned for sensual pleasures
— one who's crossed over the flood."
Or maybe like this?
Bhikkhuni Sutta: The Nun"This body comes into being through sexual intercourse. Sexual intercourse is to be abandoned. With regard to sexual intercourse, the Buddha declares the cutting off of the bridge."
Or this one?
Upakkilesa Sutta: Obscurations"Monks, there are these four obscurations of the sun and moon, obscured by which the sun and moon don't glow, don't shine, don't dazzle. Which four?
"Clouds are an obscuration of the sun and moon, obscured by which the sun and moon don't glow, don't shine, don't dazzle.
"Fog is an obscuration...
"Smoke and dust is an obscuration...
"Rahu, the king of the asuras, is an obscuration of the sun and moon, obscured by which the sun and moon don't glow, don't shine, don't dazzle.
"These are the four obscurations of the sun and moon, obscured by which the sun and moon don't glow, don't shine, don't dazzle.
"In the same way, there are four obscurations of contemplatives and brahmans, obscured by which some contemplatives and brahmans don't glow, don't shine, don't dazzle. Which four?
"There are some contemplatives and brahmans who drink alcohol and fermented liquor, who don't refrain from drinking alcohol and fermented liquor. This is the first obscuration of contemplatives and brahmans, obscured by which some contemplatives and brahmans don't glow, don't shine, don't dazzle.
"There are some contemplatives and brahmans who engage in sexual intercourse, who don't refrain from sexual intercourse. This is the second obscuration of contemplatives and brahmans, obscured by which some contemplatives and brahmans don't glow, don't shine, don't dazzle.
Or even this one?
Vipaka Sutta"Illicit sexual behavior — when indulged in, developed, & pursued — is something that leads to hell, leads to rebirth as a common animal, leads to the realm of the hungry shades. The slightest of all the results coming from illicit sexual behavior is that, when one becomes a human being, it leads to rivalry & revenge.
This is why your last statement was nonsense.
Really? So where did he say this exactly? Let me answer for you: NOWHERE! Do you know what is the Patimokkha is? Look it up and learn a thing or two.Buddha said according to sravaka level do not respond neither correct monks who misbehaved.. just leave them alone, that is all...
Whereas you stand for wisdom and knowledge?why it is So easy to criticize? well just idiots expose themselves thinking that they stand for virtue... in fact they stand for their own stupidity and ignorance... poor guys
Avijja SuttaThe Blessed One said, "Monks, ignorance is the leader in the attainment of unskillful qualities, followed by lack of conscience & lack of concern. In an unknowledgeable person, immersed in ignorance, wrong view arises. In one of wrong view, wrong resolve arises. In one of wrong resolve, wrong speech... In one of wrong speech, wrong action... In one of wrong action, wrong livelihood... In one of wrong livelihood, wrong effort... In one of wrong effort, wrong mindfulness... In one of wrong mindfulness, wrong concentration arises.