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Do you want to see a living Buddha??

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Do you want to see a living Buddha??

Postby kevinfang » Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:40 am

Namo Sanghyang Adi Buddhaya,
Namo Buddhaya-Bodhisatvaya Mahasatvaya,

Kadam Choeling Indonesia (KCI) is organizing an International Buddhist retreat (Dharma dan Penyunyian 2011) guided by H.E. Dagpo Rinpoche Jhampel Jampa Gyatso. The committee would like to invite and encourage you to participate and gain benefit from the beautiful Dharma.

Dharma Retreat will be held at:

Day / Date : 23 December 2011 – 31 December 2011 (Friday-Saturday)
Place : Villa Istana bunga, Lembang, Bandung – Jawa barat

In this opportunity, we are facilitated to give some time for ourselves and our mind, as well as to collect merit and accumulate wisdom by hearing, contemplating, and meditating the real Dharma.

Due to limited space, we need your prompt confirmation prior to 30 November 2011.

May we always go forward in the Dharma, May The Three Jewels always bless us.

Contact us:
www.kadamchoeling.or.id
Harris (08196072988)

Sincerely,

Comittee

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Bhikkhu Pesala
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Re: Do you want to see a living Buddha??

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:33 am

To be honest, as soon as I see some teacher advertised as "A Living Buddha" the last thing I would want to do is come and listen to his teachings. Any Dhamma teacher with even a basic knowledge of the Dhamma would not permit such inflated advertising of his alleged attainments, even if they were true, much less if they were false. Only a charlatan or a conceited fool would be pleased at such exaggerated claims made about him.

Some well-known teachers like Ajahn Chah or Mahāsī Sayādaw were said to be Arahants by their devout disciples, but such claims should be taken with a pinch of salt because those devout disciples have no psychic powers by which they might know if their teacher was an Arahant or not.

I have never once seen such pretentious public claims made about them in promoting their talks and teachings, though such rumours do circulate about various teachers. We should dismiss any such claims by disciples as just blind devotion.
• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: Do you want to see a living Buddha??

Postby Ben » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:53 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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pilgrim
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Re: Do you want to see a living Buddha??

Postby pilgrim » Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:12 pm

I agree. Not only is it a big turn-off, I feel embarassed by the term.

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Re: Do you want to see a living Buddha??

Postby santa100 » Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:42 pm

Even His Holiness the Dalai Lama, the great spiritual leader from the Vajrayana tradition, never claimed to be a living Buddha. He always considers himself as just a simple monk. I'm sure other great teachers of the school also consider themselves simple disciples of the Buddha. So, most of the time, it's the students of the Vajrayana teachers who would need to be more mindful of the choice of words, that way, they would truely show the right kind of respect to their teachers..

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Re: Do you want to see a living Buddha??

Postby PeterB » Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:49 pm

To be fair most Vajyana students do not use that kind of hyperbole.
At least the western ones dont.
For cultural reasons eastern Buddhists of any persuasion are far more likely to deploy what seems to western eyes to be hyperbole and credulity.
Just as to eastern eyes western Buddhism must appear dry and academic.

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Re: Do you want to see a living Buddha??

Postby Modus.Ponens » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:20 pm

Although I think it's foolish to use such a language, the vajrayana students are often encouraged to do this indirectly. For example, in the Ngondro practices, one of the parts is guru yoga, where you try to unite your mind with your guru's mind. It is traditionaly said that if you regard your teacher as a Buddha, you wil receive the blessings of a Buddha (which is also foolish in my opinion). Another important point is that tibetan buddhists use the term enlightened or Buddha in a less rigorous way than we theravadins. It can mean a particularly experienced master but without being truly enlightened.

So the conclusion is: don't be so harsh on the vajrayana students and masters for this for it is part of their culture.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Do you want to see a living Buddha??

Postby chownah » Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:08 am

Gotama claimed to be a Buddha....he did it publicly many times...he did not mince his words in that regard......so was he not worth going to see?....was he an embarrassment?
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