Treeleaf Sangha

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Postby DGA » Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:27 pm

Seriously? Did the Great Patriarch come from the west in order to play charades?

Is the Shout of Lin Chi a pantomime?

Shakyamuni holding up a flower: just playing a party game?

People play charades when they cannot (or will not or are not able to) face reality openly. Practice is about facing reality openly, not about faking it. Much of the teacher's job is to identify when a student is faking it, and shake the ***t out of them until they see the cypress in the garden... at which time there's no need to play games anymore.

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Re: Treeleaf Sangha

Postby tigerdown » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:55 am

Hello,

I just read through this thread. I have been part of many Buddhist groups since the 70s, Tibetan, Vipassana, Chan, Zen. I lived at some, studied to be a monk at one point, lived for a short time in Dharamsala, and studied with many teachers. I have been at places where we thought we knew each other, only to discover some dark secret about the Teacher or something hidden about the other students we thought we knew. Other places were quite nice and good teachers. After an accident, I found Treeleaf because I can't drive any more. I was not expecting much. I found a lot. The teachers including Jundo Osho and Taigu Osho are good hearted and first rate. They cut through a lot of the bull I found in other situations, and present a very down to the earth practice that suits me at this time in my life. They are not perfect, and they don't try to be (unlike the teachers of some other groups I experienced). That alone is a breath of fresh air. The other people in the Sangha, for the most part, are good people. Many new comers, many who have been around the Buddhist block. Is it perfect? No. However, I would rate it about as wholesome a place as any of the Sangha I have known.

Let me give you my rule of thumb:

If you find people who seem agitated, angry, resentful, fixated or with an ax to grind criticizing Jundo or Taigu or Treeleaf as "not their cup of tea", then consider their motivations and mindset. Is that the kind of criticism you want to listen to? If such people say "it is not good", then that may be an indication that you should check out the place. :thumbsup: Please also beware of "enlightened" voices who will tell you what is "real Buddhism".

If you find people who seem calm, balanced, level headed, open who say that a Sangha and its teachers are their "cup of tea", there may be no better and compelling recommendation.

Both groups of people may be giving a strong recommendation to Treeleaf for opposite reasons!


That is just my two cents as someone who has been around the Buddhist world since before a lot of you were born.

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Re: Treeleaf Sangha

Postby Grigoris » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:59 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Treeleaf Sangha

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Re: Treeleaf Sangha

Postby Son of Buddha » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:08 am

Alot of this seems to be about the past.mabey these teachers in the past have rubbed some people the wrong way,mabey they didnt do anything wrong but people precieved them to be doing something wrong.
Either way its the past,we have all done something bad to anouther person,and after years go by we all change.(hopefully for the better)

a person i met 5 yrs ago might say SOB cusses,is cold,does drugs,and gets violent in disagreements

then this person from the past meets a friend of SOB from the present,and proceeds to tell them this is who SOB is.

The friend disagrees and says thats not the SOB i know,ive never heard him cuss since the day i met him,no drugs,helps everyone,and walks away from conflict.

We hold unto our opionion of others so strong in our mind that we dont allow them to change for the better,we only see them for who they were.

A 75 yr old Vietnamese monk today is someones precious teacher

When he was 20 he might have been someones most violent enemy.

(this posting is not directed at anyone nor any group)
Peace and love

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Re: Treeleaf Sangha

Postby Grigoris » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:21 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
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Re: Treeleaf Sangha

Postby Grigoris » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:09 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Treeleaf Sangha

Postby tigerdown » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:19 pm

You can at least clear the air that it is or is not a matter of serious moral turpitude that might involve a criminal offense. Is it a Felony? Drug use? Sexual abuse? Jail time? Child abuse? Faked credentials? Stealing money? Since you put out some smoke, please tell us at least that it is or is not any of those things. A simple yes or no would not involve gossiping.

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Re: Treeleaf Sangha

Postby oushi » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:20 pm

If is weird to see people spending so much time and effort to point out what is wrong for others. After reading some posts, I cannot believe it's compassion driven.
My teacher is better then your teacher and my practice is better then your practice!
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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
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