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looking for impermanence

Postby effort » Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:21 am

did buddha emphasis on of looking for impermanence intentionally or it will grow and realized by its own? for example in Anapanasati Sutta he didnt say that one should see annica in the breath.

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Re: looking for impermanence

Postby PeterB » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:01 am

So the very fact that if one is alive one has to continuously breath in and out indicates........what ? That it is unchanging ?

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Re: looking for impermanence

Postby manas » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:10 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: looking for impermanence

Postby effort » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:24 am

i read the suuta without attention, but again here is the question for me , so by contemplating of breath inconstancy one will gain insight of impermanence into all nature phenomena?

what do i think is if i contemplate of existing god i'll reach to the point that there is a god, if i contemplate about impermanence nature of all phenomena i'll get into that belief even i'll built faith on that. so i'm worried about building another layer of delusion on the to of others.

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Re: looking for impermanence

Postby PeterB » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:37 am

I am unsure what you are saying.

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Re: looking for impermanence

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Re: looking for impermanence

Postby manas » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:03 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: looking for impermanence

Postby effort » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:21 am

manasikara, i see the difference between two analogies, what you said is true.

tilt, do you think by watching without mental commenting then the anicca wisdom will be unfold?

( by wisdom i mean not merely intellectual knowing )

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Re: looking for impermanence

Postby chownah » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:30 pm

I think that impermanence can be seen in different ways and one way is the obvious one that if you just look around at life in general and observe carefully you will see that everything is impermanent.....even the idea that the stars in the sky are permanent has been punctured by scientists theorizing about the various types of ways that everything might end....whether its the big crunch or if its the big expansion into rarefied oblivion the scientists seem to have put an end to everything out there. While this kind of impermanence seems to be widely accepted these days I really don't think that this is what the Buddha was trying to get us to see when he taught about annica. I think the Buddha was trying to get us to see that our experience which seems to just keep going and going is actually composed of little pieces consciousness that arise and cease continually...that the constant flow we seem to experience is just a delusion and experience doesn't really happen that way.....and.....the important thing (in my view) is that this delusional constant flow of inter-related experience is one of the main things from which our delusional sense of self is constructed......if we can see the truely disjointed nature of experience we have a bit of wisdom which when applied and refined can lead to a big step in understanding the false nature of our experience of self.
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Re: looking for impermanence

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Re: looking for impermanence

Postby effort » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:42 pm

but it needs that i keep the idea in the background, if you dont name it thinking

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Re: looking for impermanence

Postby PeterB » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:48 pm

You really dont need to do that. Anicca is the natural state of all compounded things. You just have to turn up and be aware. You will see it for yourself despite any ideas you have about it if you follow certain tried and tested ways of doing that..

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Re: looking for impermanence

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Re: looking for impermanence

Postby bodom » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:40 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: looking for impermanence

Postby effort » Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:07 pm

thanks for responses

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Re: looking for impermanence

Postby Gena1480 » Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:50 am

Hello effort
impermanence, suffering and not-self
all three things mean that in samsara there is no solid or permanent phenomena,there is no solid thing/s mental or physical
suffering is not solid and change
impermanence is not solid and change
not-self is not solid and change
taints or fetters not solid and change
if tains or fatters were solid and unchangeable
then we could not escape samsara
but fatter and tains are suffering, impermanent and not-self
that's why we have a chance to escape samsara
Nibbana is not solid entity as nibbana is not-self
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