Why follow buddhism?

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Why follow buddhism?

Postby Sacha G » Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:44 am

Hello
I've thought of a reasoning (with three premisses) which might prove that one ought to follow buddhism:

1°) Buddhism is the teaching of the Buddha
2°) The Buddha is the wisest person one knows of

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(Therefore: Buddhism is the teaching of the wisest person)

3°) One must follow the teaching of the wisest person one knows of
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Therefore: One must follow Buddhism

If you admit the three premisses, you should follow buddhism. I think the hardest to believe for most people is the third. :coffee:
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Re: Why follow buddhism?

Postby DarwidHalim » Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:08 pm

None of them are my reasons actually.

The one that make me choose Buddhism is somehow it clicks with my logic.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Why follow buddhism?

Postby Sacha G » Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:34 pm

Hi
Concerning "1°)", some might say that Buddhism is not the teaching of the Buddha, and that this teaching is lost.(that the Pali canon doesn't give a fair image of it). One might also say that official Theravada, or Mahayana, is not the teaching of the Buddha.
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Re: Why follow buddhism?

Postby DarwidHalim » Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:15 pm

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I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Why follow buddhism?

Postby chownah » Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:16 pm

Better to follow the path than to follow buddhism.....so if I can rephrase the question as "why follow the path"....I guess for me having followed the path for quite awhile now it seems like its the best game in town.....doing anything else just doesn't have much attraction......
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Re: Why follow buddhism?

Postby Jhana4 » Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:49 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Why follow buddhism?

Postby Sacha G » Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:27 pm

Ok, IMHO, the hardest is the 3rd point, even for me. Because the teachings of the wise have been given in a certain context for certain people. For now, if we tried directly to live as the Buddha (or the Bodhisatta), we could not bear it (at least me): sleeping 2 hours per night, one meal a day, no home, not moving for hours etc...So the idea of applying a teaching directly seems a bad one. And so, it is possible that the idea of following the teaching of a wise person, especially one remote in time and distance, can be a bad one. Now, that's a possibility. That's not my point of view. Anyway, as most, I have doubts. Had I not, I would be a sotapanna. :juggling:
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Re: Why follow buddhism?

Postby santa100 » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:11 pm

Like anything else, one will need to start out slowly and steadily. For example in martial arts, after seeing a master did a perfect 180 degree leg split, used his head to break open a coconut, or used a single finger to break 3 wooden boards, etc.. If one dived right in and attempt these awesome feats, s/he would sure head for trouble. But if one starts out slowly with enought effort, building things up gradually, then eventually s/he will get there..

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Re: Why follow buddhism?

Postby acinteyyo » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:19 am

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Why follow buddhism?

Postby Sacha G » Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:47 pm

Hi
I admitted myself that I was unsure of premiss 3 especially (and so, of the others also, but less)...
Now, when I say "one must" or "one ought to", I could've had formulated it in the form of a hypothetical imperative: one must follow...in order to be happy.
What I find interesting is that the premisses be critisized. IMO, premiss 3 is not very strong.
Maybe there are stronger reasons for practising buddhism. I'd be glad that somebody formulate them in a form of syllogism. :coffee:
I can be more detailed in the premises
1°) Buddhism is the teaching of the Buddha
2°) The Buddha is the wisest person one knows of
3°) The best teaching on how to be happy comes from the wisest person
4°) One must follow the better teaching to happiness


So one must follow buddhism.
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Re: Why follow buddhism?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:51 pm

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• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: Why follow buddhism?

Postby Sacha G » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:05 pm

Thank you Venerable
But how do you convince somebody to study deeply the Suttas, when he doesn't see the point in reading them?
:broke:
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Re: Why follow buddhism?

Postby Sacha G » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:19 pm

Hello
I agree that the conclusion "one should follow buddhism" is false.
Maybe I should say: one should follow the Buddhadhamma.
Also I agree that "happy" is vague, let's say "end suffering".
The reasoning would be

1°) The buddhadhamma is the teaching of the Buddha
2°) The buddha is the wisest person one knows of
3°) The more efficient ways of ending suffering are taught by the wiser persons
4°) One should follow the teachings on putting an end to suffering

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=> One should follow the Buddhadhamma :hello:
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Re: Why follow buddhism?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:37 pm

• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)


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