How is Mahayana Buddhism faring in Viet Nam nowadays?

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How is Mahayana Buddhism faring in Viet Nam nowadays?

Postby JKhedrup » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:47 am

I am curious about the state of Buddhism in present-day Viet Nam, ostensibly still a communist country but with an increasingly open market economy.

There was an unfortunate incident at Bat Nha, Thich Nhat Thanh's branch monastery there, a couple of years ago, but other than that I hardly ever hear anything.

The funny thing is, I have several Viet Namese sangha who added me to facebook and from the pictures I see it seems that at least on the surface level Buddhism is thriving.

I wonder, though, do the monks and nuns really have freedom to practice or is it government-controlled Buddhism akin to that of Mainland China, where everything is monitored by the Communist Party controlled Buddhist Association.

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Postby LastLegend » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:18 pm

Yes, Buddhism is controlled and monitored. The reason is the government fears that Buddhism might be a hosting place for people who want to overthrow the government because it the past it has been the case. But in terms of controlling the practice, no. They can practice as long as they don't create a threat to the power.
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Postby LastLegend » Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:13 am

My parents live there my friend, and they go to temples everyday.
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Re: How is Mahayana Buddhism faring in Viet Nam nowadays?

Postby Bodhi » Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:55 am

They dont have religious independency. Most, if not all, churches and temple are government-run or monitored which is used as a tool to spread propaganda to promote loyalty to the party. Many monks and nuns of these monastery are extremely corrupted . Those who speaks for religious freedom are imprisoned such as Catholic father Ly and Buddhist monk Thich Quang Do who is under house arrest because he demand religious freedom and is one of the leader of the Unified Buddhist Church of Vietnam, an organization currently banned in vietnam, many of the masters who was part of, founder, or head of the organization where imprisoned and sometimes forced to live in harsh solitary condition and die from illness and lack of medical care.
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Postby lojong1 » Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:09 am

??
So lastlegend's parents are maybe:
-- not allowed to tell the truth about this;
-- don't know or care, and simply attend temples and have had no problems personally;
-- evil government agents;
-- parents of an evil government agent;

Religious freedom in Vietnam sounds fantastic.

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Postby LastLegend » Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:52 am

NAMO AMITABHA
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Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: How is Mahayana Buddhism faring in Viet Nam nowadays?

Postby Astus » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:59 pm

Just because a country's government is dictatorial it doesn't mean that people can't practise their religion at all, it's just that it is under a certain amount of control. Even in North Korea there is a sort of Buddhist union organising things, South Asian Buddhist countries are also mostly dictatorships, etc. Buddhism lived fine under all sorts of kings and emperors. Democracy is a very new thing even in Western countries while religions can be thousands of years old.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
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Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
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With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
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Re: How is Mahayana Buddhism faring in Viet Nam nowadays?

Postby JKhedrup » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:20 am

For people interested in the sad situation regarding the former Plum Village branch in Viet Nam, Bat Na temple, from Plum Village perspective, you can find more here:
http://www.plumvillage.org/articles/fro ... rant-.html

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Postby lojong1 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:30 am

Someone is deceiving someone, perhaps to avoid having their buddhist organs ripped out: http://thebuddhistblog.blogspot.ca/2009 ... etnam.html

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Re: How is Mahayana Buddhism faring in Viet Nam nowadays?

Postby lojong1 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:43 am

wikipedia says "Under Communist rule many religious practices in Vietnam Buddhism were suppressed."
Anyone know which and why?

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Re: How is Mahayana Buddhism faring in Viet Nam nowadays?

Postby Bodhi » Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:31 am

Most of you guys seem to forget that ideally and orginally communism is a political theory that do not tolerate religion such as early Soviet Union. Reason is mainly that religion can be a strong force that interfere with absolute loyalty to the party. They fear rebellion. Most of you guys arent aware that Vietnamese do not have access to many of the information that we take for granted sometimes. Such as a certain (I forgot his mame) vietnamese man, he was a doctor that got a hold of a essay named "what is democracy" in english and he translated it to vietnamese. He was imprisoned and his family is monitored by government. I have listen to many well known and respected Buddhist master in vietnam , they pretty much preach propaganda. Those that dont preach propaganda are imprisoned or even killed.

Simply put, its hard to practice buddhism (especially lay people) when scriptures are editted and masters dont teach the true Dharma.

Government are much more efficient at tracking down those who arent doing what they want. We are living at a very different time as compare to centuries before.

I am Vietnamese and is a Human Right activist, I was born and raised in Vietnam for a while so I know what it is like.
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Thank you Pork Chop.

Commitment that was the word that was elludeing me.

.......honestly ive sat here for 15 minutes trying to put words on paper ,then erasing them over and over again, I feel nothing I write is worthy enough to explain the beauty of their commitment.

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Postby LastLegend » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:10 pm

NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: How is Mahayana Buddhism faring in Viet Nam nowadays?

Postby lojong1 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:48 pm

Thank you Bodhi for this, my reply to LastLegend.

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Re: How is Mahayana Buddhism faring in Viet Nam nowadays?

Postby LastLegend » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:52 pm

NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―


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