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Your defensiveness shows you to be as deeply deluded as we all assume you are. You are wasting your own time and everyone elses. Go away and grow the flip up.

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Postby Aloka » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:06 am

Hi Kurt,

Your website is displayed under your avatar - so its there for anyone to check if they want to.

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Postby Sacha G » Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:14 pm

Hi
I think it's dangerous to critisize somebody who says they are an ariya, unless you can be 100% sure they are not. Because, if they are not, the critics is not of much profit. But if, per chance, they are, it's a lot of negative kamma I suppose... :shrug:
However in the case of Kurt, I recognize that I can hardly imagine an arahant acting this way ("I wanted to be nice, but you didn't listen to me, so keep with your bad kamma"), however it doesn't sound absurd that a stream-enterer would do so, since all the fetters haven't been removed.
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Postby Sacha G » Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:37 pm

Hello Peter
I'm not as sure as you are about the Buddha not teaching about levels of liberation.
You find the same descriptions in the northern canon (agamas), so it means it was "invented" before the schism of schools, maybe less than 200 after the Buddha's parinibbana maybe.
What's more, the theory of the levels of liberation fits well with the list of the fetters. What's more, the term, ariya is found everywhere in the canon, even in the definition of what the (true) sangha is.
It can seem odd that the Buddha taught in such a "prize-winning" way, but often it is seen that the Buddha insists on the respect one ought to have for the Noble persons, the true Brahmans etc...in a society where respect and honour was proportonal to the cast you belonged to, it's not improbable that the buddha recast in some way the mentality and put honour and respect where they should belong, i.e, to those with a true attainment.
Finally, if it was invented by monks, I don't know why you have suttas declaring lay people to have reached stream entry etc...
But that's not the debate here. Maybe it's the opportunity for a new thread. :juggling:
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Postby PeterB » Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:51 pm

Not really worth a new thread Sacha...those that buy into the whole mechanistic idea of status posited on a defined number of remaining births will continue to buy into it...and those for whom the whole kit and caboodle seems entirely at odds with the Buddhas basic world view will continue to not buy into it.
Been there, done that. Refused the tee shirt.... :smile:

On the subject of the thread a quotation from Ajahn Sumedho might be apropos.." dont be so open minded that your brain falls out "...

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