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Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

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Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

Postby Sacha G » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:36 pm

Hi
In the studies of Ian Stevenson about memories of children concerning their past lives, I find three things which don't quite fit with the Buddha's teachings:
1°) They were humans each time in their previous lives (not animals, petas...etc...)
2°) They were reborn in a place near where they lived before
3°) There is sometimes several weeks or months between the death and the rebirth.
How do U explain all these facts.
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Postby Jhana4 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:02 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Postby retrofuturist » Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:41 pm

Greetings,

On the gentle side, I see it as irrelevant speculation not connected in any meaningful way to the Noble Eightfold Path.

More bluntly, I think making Buddhist associations with this kind of thing is potentially dangerous and leads to superstitious folly like the Tibetan tulku system (which by all accounts seems riddled with problems), eternalist views, and people being far more zealous about pushing reincarnation beliefs rather than adopting the more open-handed approached used by the Buddha (e.g. MN 60) and by those Theravada monks who readily say "don't know" when they don't in fact know.

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Postby cooran » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:42 pm

Hello all,

Dr. Ian Stevenson is dead.

It may be better for those who wish to discuss his works with any intelligence to obtain his books and read them first.

A little about Dr. Stevenson:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stevenson

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

Postby James the Giant » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:43 pm

Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Postby retrofuturist » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:02 pm

:rofl:
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

Postby santa100 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:18 pm

Doctor Jim Tucker continues the research left by Dr. Stevenson . There's an interesting line about him:

"Tucker felt unfulfilled by his work in child psychiatry, but was open to the possibility that humans are more than their physical bodies and wished to investigate the matter further.[19] Though raised as a Southern Baptist, Tucker does not subscribe to any particular religion, and claims to be skeptical about reincarnation,[7] but sees it as providing the best explanation for phenomena associated with the strongest cases investigated to date.[8] After reading Ian Stevenson's work Tucker became intrigued by children’s reported past-life memories and by the prospect of studying them."

(ref.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_B._Tucker)

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

Postby alan » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:15 am

Since we know the Buddha understood his rebirths only upon his awakening, it seems ridiculous to speculate about it. No one really knows, and those who pretend otherwise are not worthy of consideration.

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You can do better than that, tilt. Your complaint is not specific.

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