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Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

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Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

Postby wizi » Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:36 pm

All beings like yourself are responsible for their own actions. Suffering or happiness is created through one's relationship to experience, not by experience itself. Although I wish only the best for you, I know that your happiness or unhappiness depends on your actions, not on my wishes for you.
May you not be caught in reactivity.

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Re: Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

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Re: Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

Postby Modus.Ponens » Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:00 pm

I have felt the beauty in a concept of a loving god, creator of the universe, a father so to speak. I felt an atraction. Arvo Pärt's music makes us feel that. But then I wake up to reality and see the terrible world we live in. I wouldn't want to worship a god that created this much suffering, not to speak of the lower realms. Reality is harsh, but we can't turn our backs at it.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

Postby Ben » Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:42 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

Postby m0rl0ck » Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:43 pm

“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

Postby Justsit » Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:08 pm

Guess he needed a . :smile:

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Re: Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

Postby chownah » Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:22 am

It is not uncommon for children to have an imaginary friend....and I guess it's not uncommon for adults to have one too....
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Re: Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

Postby pilgrim » Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:31 am

I can understand how he feels. In times of crisis it is comforting to believe there is an invisible deity that will solve your problems. But I don't think it was necessary to go all the way to Greece to become a monk for that. If you put your mind to it, santa claus can do just as well.

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Re: Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

Postby Ben » Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:28 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

Postby PeterB » Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:57 am

I am slightly puzzled why a choice made by someone unknown should be a cause of concern.
Surely Buddhists dont have a concept of apostasy ?

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Re: Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

Postby PeterB » Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:09 am

:goodpost:
My thoughts exactly...There are monks on Mount Athos who are actively engaged in the cultivation of Nepsis...their term for mindfulness, they do not spend their days playing word games on computers in order to prove anything..

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Re: Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

Postby Ben » Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:13 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

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Re: Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

Postby Ben » Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:52 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

Postby PeterB » Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:53 am

"What others do or fail to do is not my concern.
"What I myself do or fail to do that should be my concern ".

The Dhammapada.

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Re: Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

Postby wizi » Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:09 am

Thanks for all your observations on the anecdote. The hardest sila for us is the practice of right speech. What struck me about the blogpost was the priest's question to the chinese monk : "What won you over to Christianity?"

I come from Singapore and many chinese/peranakan peers are leaving behind their traditional buddhist/taoist cultural background to adopt the evangelical or catholic faiths. Since 9-11, there's been a steadily increase in that going on in our little island state. The above anecdote has been used to argue that even a chinese monk finally got his act together to jettison his old erroneous beliefs and make the right personal choice.

I just wanted to find out how fellow meditators react with the anecdote.


Ben, i think the anecdote was translated from a greek priest or monk's blogsite :

http://plibyos.blogspot.com/2010/12/blog-post_30.html
All beings like yourself are responsible for their own actions. Suffering or happiness is created through one's relationship to experience, not by experience itself. Although I wish only the best for you, I know that your happiness or unhappiness depends on your actions, not on my wishes for you.
May you not be caught in reactivity.

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Re: Why A Chinese Buddhist Became an Orthodox Athonite Monk

Postby Ben » Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:17 am

thanks wizi!
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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