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Unorthodox Vipassana

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" Nibbana is here and now. It is very simple. It is beyond description. It cant be bestowed or conveyed. It can only be known by each person for themselves. The problem is that we prefer ideas about Nibbana. Talking about Nibbana is less threatening to us than seeing its simplicity and immediacy. "


Luang Por Sumedho.

" We can spend a whole life time getting ready for the dance. We can get everything lined up and ready to go.We can make sure that our mental tuxedo is immaculate. We can spend so long at it that before the cab can turn up to take us to the ball the hearse gets to the house first. "

Ajahn Munindo.

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Postby bodom » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:23 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby Sylvester » Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:33 am

May I request that we banish the singular "the Forest Tradition"? It smacks of some fictional monolithic MNC-status, when there are so many forest traditions that can legitimately claim to be one. Brand-equity in the designation "the Forest Tradition" is not the monopoly of one group that happens to have a well-oiled internet machinery for outreach.

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby Nyana » Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:21 am

Generally: Thai forest tradition [note lower case lettering] referring to those monks ordained in Thailand, following the ascetic tradition of Ajahn Mun, etc.

More specifically: Western Forest Sangha in the lineage of Ajahn Chah, as in, for example: Abhayagiri Monastic Foundation. Morning and Evening Chanting (Pūjā), Reflections, and Suttas, as Used by Buddhist Monasteries and Groups Associated with the Western Forest Sangha in the Lineage of Venerable Ajahn Chah, 2004.

None of these are doctrinal traditions.

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby Sylvester » Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:45 am

Thanks, Geoff. Do note that my post above was not to take issue with your distinction; I was querying the upper-case concept.

Although, personally, I don't even believe that there is a/the Thai forest tradition. It is my belief that there are several Thai forest traditions, with very different approaches to monastic life. Ajahn Mun's and Ajahn Chah's legacies just happen to be better known in the West because of the Net, but those of us closer to the scene see a much greater variety on the ground.

To bring up in stark contrast one such difference, let's consider Ajahn Chah's and Ajahn Mahaboowa's attitudes to what I conveniently call "amulets". The former is famous for having nothing to do with these things, but it appears that the latter did not have issues with sitting in at "phuttaphisek" (Buddha-abisekha) ceremonies for these momentoes.

On the subject of study, even within Ajahn Mun's "lineage", there were a merry minority of monks who studied, even Commentarial material. One such example was Ajahn Thate. The other was Ven Thanissaro's teacher's teacher, Ajahn Lee.

Even geo-politics have left their mark on the "Thai" forest traditions. The Killing Fields led to a large influx of Cambodian monks into the eastern borders of Thailand. I personally know one such practising forest monk, and surprise, surprise, he's also an Abhidhammika.

You do realise, of course, that "Western Forest Sangha" is an ex-Vinaya concept, given the Buddha's prohibition against over-sized siimas. I suppose they do realise that, since a super-sized "sangha" would require a communal confession of the faith a la Nicean Creed.

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But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby PeterB » Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:30 pm

Agreed. I would add..... they walk the talk. Actually more accurately, they walk the walk.

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:anjali:

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But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}


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