Thrasymachus wrote:1. If we don't like you or your views we will treat unfairly or even ban you.
This is not a rule, this is an axiom of social reality. Forums are peopled by people, and people tend to react in certain ways to certain personality traits.
2. Those who make the rules can break the rules, and that is likely not you.
Again, given the type of social structures that we are socialised into, why would you expect a different type of behaviour on an internet forum? I mean really?
In any social group, if you have a disagreeable personality, chances are your opinions (especially if they run contrary to those of the group) will land you in hot water. If you are liked (have a likeable personality), then even your sh*t does not stink. It is that simple. Of course if the power structures in the group are authoritarian, then your proximity to the source of authority counts for a lot more, but even then your personality may play a role in reagrds to proximity.
If we were extend this honesty to real life, we could say, murder is murder if you are poor, but if you are rich you it will likely make you a captain of industry, a hero or valued leader. Instead you insist that the rules speak some actual truth about how this forum and other forums operate!
Rules are guidelines for behaviour. They are open to interpretation and (of course) abuse. How would a forum or a society without any rules function? Quite simply, it wouldn't.
Anarchist groups have rules too (but not laws and a legal structure). They need them in order to ensure smooth functioning. The rules though are formulated through a system of direct democracy of the participants. But even this is no guarantee, especially when you consider the amount of socialisation each individual brings to the group. There is no such thing as tabula rasa (especially in Buddhism where each individual carries the habits of previous lifetimes with them too).
See this is what I am talking about! Before you even deleted a whole post and warned me for criticizing the TOS, now you actually invite to give you specific examples of all the biased stuff I notice, which is quite a bit for someone who maintains such low participation.
You are making excuses before you have even started.
In this very thread, there is one ad-hominen post
and a second one
. I have had a whole post deleted for making a "personal comment" based on previous info revealed in the same thread, then warned and banned, yet two people who are known to be much closer to the power structure
can make pure ad-hominens based on what they believe some poster here said and did related to another forum, years and years ago and not get their comments even deleted.
This forum has a report function, have you ever used it? Moderators (who are volunteers) cannot be expected to read every single post in every single thread. It is up to the members too to ensure that contraventions of the Terms of Service are dealt with.
The reality is forumers learn this from the personality, temperament and example of the individual mods, and here are there are too many with too many different temperaments to ever know that.
Too many moderators??? I beg to differ! If you were aware of the workload you would not say this. Work which is being done for free.
I used to have a higher estimation of Buddhists and Buddhism, but seeing the dissonance between the lofty claims and the bitter reality has jaded me.
Join the club!
The philosopher Ivan Illich has showed that every institution that makes a claim, actually produces the opposite effect of what it claims.
Hogwash. If you do not make a claim then no matter what effect you produce you can just fob it off and say: "I never made a claim." Claims are useful because then you can hold people accountable, otherwise...
In alot of the bad mouthing of past forums some members mentioned some amazing things, far worse than most forums I have ever been on. Also from participation here it is clear that Western Buddhists are likely the problem, maybe even Buddhists in general. The "thing in itself" that claims to lead to non-judgement, calm and enlightenment is having the opposite effect. Alot of it seems to me because people of the fundamentalist variety cannot let things go and feel the need to create and defend a turf against trespassers. It seems like it leads often to taking the worst of Western society and melding it with the worst of Buddhism or Eastern society.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion and judgement. I would venture though that Western Buddhists (and Buddhists in general) like everybody else in this world are people. So, like all people they will be hypocrites, liars, back stabbers, agressive, annoying, etc... (and these are their positive qualities
) The question that arises in my mind is: who are you to judge everybody else instead of sitting down and judging yourself?
About anarchism, if we are to define it as the "thing in reality" it would be a lifestyle subculture little different than that of say skateboarders or metalheads, who form identity based on subscribing to a utopian vision of how the future will be better after an imagined anarchist revolution that will never come, and how they are different because of holding these theoretical views which cannot be implemented.
I agree that in many cases, especially here in the "west" that is what it has become. I would tell you to go read up on the International Workers of the World (Wobblies) to see what Anarchism was.
So in the end it is actually worse than identifying as say a punk rocker, because you make lofty claims that are a fart in the wind, while the punk admits he is just looking for a group and something to waste idle time doing.
No they don't! Quite the contrary for most punks.
In closing how forums function have more to do with the personality of the admins and moderators, how tolerant they are or are not, and very little to do with the actual rules, which are mostly technicalities that are sacrificed or put into play based on personality and ad-hoc interpretations, if at all.
I agree, except that you over looked a minor detail: the staff are the ones that make the rules.
Also most people just don't care enough to start a forum or real life institution or group venue. I never cared enough about an issue or subject to make a forum around it. It does not mean such people as myself want to get abused or told what they see happening is not happening, because the stickler for the rules types in their "thing in itself" paradigm cannot account for it within the circular system they cannot extricate themselves from.
So basically you are saying that you just want to whine, juge and complain and do absolutely nothing constructive? I mean, that's what it sounds like from here. Why not just go extriate yourself, and once you are finished come back and extricate us too. I'm being serious here. I know that I am a hypocritical f*ck up (but I try my hardest), do you?
With the eye of wisdom we discover a lot of anger in us, any amount of jealousy, resentment, ignorance, desire - mountains of emotion whose existence we would never have suspected in ourselves... We recognize that most of the faults we perceive in others are only the mirror of our own negativity, the reflection of our own disturbed feelings... At the same time, we relieve the world around us of the burden of our own negative judgements."
Gendun Rinpoche Heart Advice from a Mahamudra Master