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Is Theravada "Realist"?

A discussion on all aspects of Theravāda Buddhism
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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby acinteyyo » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:00 am

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby danieLion » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:52 am

IDEALISM

There once was a man who said: "God
Must think it exceedingly odd
If he finds that this tree
Continues to be
When there's no one about in the Quad."

-Ronald Knox

A REPLY

Dear Sir, your astonishment's odd,
I am always about in the Quad;
And that's why the tree
Will continue to be,
Since observed by Yours faithfully, God.
-Anonymous


Epistemology

I.
Kick at the rock, Sam Johnson, break your bones:
But cloudy, cloudy is the stuff of stones.

II.
We milk the cow of the world, and as we do
We whisper in her ear, "You are not true."
-Richard Wilbur

DL :heart:

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby Alex123 » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:04 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby Alex123 » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:13 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby santa100 » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:44 pm

Talking about the 4 great elements, let's use an example. The speed of light is ~ 300,000 km/sec. If there's a star 600,000 km away from earth, it'll take its photons (units of light) ~ 2 seconds to reach our eyes. So, the star already existed 2 seconds ago. It just didn't "exist in our eyes" until 2 seconds later..

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby Alex123 » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:58 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby santa100 » Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:19 pm

Yes, that's the point I was trying to make. The star already existed 2 seconds ago..

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby Alex123 » Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:29 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby Alex123 » Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:43 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby daverupa » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:15 pm

How might those engaged in this thread thus far explain the term yathābhūtadassana, "seeing things as they really are"?

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby acinteyyo » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:28 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby acinteyyo » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:38 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby Alex123 » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:45 pm

According to orthodox Theravada citta is not the cause of four primary elements, and the latter does not depend on the former for its existence.

One doesn't think a rock into existence in order to accidentally trip on it. It, as material cause, exists independent of whether we perceive it or not, hence why we can trip on it.
"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby Alex123 » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:47 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby acinteyyo » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:03 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby Alex123 » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:07 pm

Hello Acinteyyo,

without perception there is no knowledge about existence or non-existence of something. But lack of perception does not mean that it doesn't exist, we simply don't have perception of it.
"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby acinteyyo » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:11 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Is Theravada "Realist"?

Postby acinteyyo » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:13 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.


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