Buddha born on 1800 BC? read this

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Postby Nicholas Weeks » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:17 pm

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Postby tushar567 » Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:24 pm

Gautam Buddha was born in the year 1887 BC and was contempary to king Bimbisara of Magadha.There has been an accurate chronological order for various royal dynasties and kings of Magadha empire in Bhavishya Puran and which prove Buddha was born in 1887 BC.It has been proved time after time that Buddha was born in 1887 BC.But still the western historians are not ready to accept the correct date and are currently propogating wrong date of 583 BC.Why is it that their pyramids and sumerians have to be very old (inspite of not being that old as they think) and ours less old?I think time has come to stop giving importance to these fraud western historians and restore our correct history in our national education system.

for more info read these articles

http://www.viewzone.com/buddahyearx.html

http://tibetanaltar.blogspot.com/2007/1 ... -born.html

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Postby Indrajala » Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:24 pm

It isn't just western historians. Scholars of Indology and Buddhism here in Japan likewise have the same views on the birth and death dates of Shakyamuni.
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Postby Nicholas Weeks » Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:12 pm

Then how is explained the compilation of the Pali canon around 200 bce and the first Mahayana sutras appearing around 100 ce? That would mean the oral tradition was precise and reliable for 1600 years. Plus the tradition now says the Ananda & other direct Arhat disciples were alive at the time of the Pali canon compilation. They would also be over 1500 years old!! Also we have to accept the traditional date of the Mahabharata war at 3100 bce.

So I am not ready to jump on this bandwagon yet.
A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Postby Aemilius » Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:20 am

Dhammapade verses 153 & 154 describe the enlightenment of Buddha Shakyamuni with the metaphor of collapsing a house. This house has been explained as standing for ego, self and name and form.
The historical event of the collapsing of the Tower of Babel (Babylon) happened at the time of Shakyamuni's enlightenment as its outer symbolic event. Therefore the timing of Siddhartha Gautama must be at the same time period as the collapsing of the Tower of Babel.
Theists want to remove Siddhartha Gautama away from everything that he has done, we don't have to accept this.
Naturally theistic traditions also give an entirely negative view of the Complete and Perfect Enlightenment that took place then. Buddha Gautama discovered a truly universal teaching, this the theists declared to be "confusion of tongues".

Time is a fluid factor, as Nagarjuna has said. This is concretely true, though difficult to perceive.

At the time of Siddhartha Gautama the Indus River civilisation (India) was in close contact with the culture of Babylonia. Zarathustrian sources mention a Magi Gaumata, (who was an opponent of Zoroastrians), this has been told recently in http://www.americanbuddhist.net. The contact of buddhism with Babylonia and Persia is an age old controversy, tiring as such.
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Postby Nicholas Weeks » Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:37 pm

Aemilius: "must be at the same time period " Oh come now!

As for "Magi Gautama" - that name was not unique to our Buddha. There was Gautama who wrote a code of laws and another Gautama Rishi; there could have been more among the Vedic tradition of ancient India.
A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Postby Seishin » Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:05 pm

I had a read up about this "Magi Gotama" figure when I first read about the so called link on another Buddhist forum. The two don't even compare, and the website that suggests the link doesn't even have enough weight to back up the claim. :alien:

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Postby Aemilius » Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:01 pm

You fail to understand that the perfect and complete enlightenment of Siddhartha Gautama was a ground breaking event for the world history, it started a new era. Of it there remain only some feeble remains.
Many sutras of Hinyana and Mahayana describe how the earth shakes in six ways because the teaching of Dharma is very profound. Dharma has a deep impact.
The collapse of the Tower of Babel gives you the right idea of the immediate effect of Buddha Gautama's teaching and enlightenment. It was a shattering event. It reached far, its effect was felt everywhere.
The story of the Tower of Babylon is about the same thing as Setting in Motion of the Wheel of Dharma Sutra.
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Postby Seishin » Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:53 pm

Further reading on the Magi Gautama;

"Gautama the Magi, in the disguise of the brother of the murdered king Cambyses, seized the throne for a while, but was soon slain by Darius.....
The adventures of Gautama the Magian are recorded on the Behistun inscriptions, which add that Darius had rebuilt the sanctuaries which had been destoyed by Gautama...."


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Postby Indrajala » Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:55 pm

tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |

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tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |

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Postby catmoon » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:38 pm

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