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Nuns in Thailand ... cause a stir!

Postby GrahamR » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:50 am

What do you think of the ordination of nuns in Thailand?

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews ... vestigated

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Re: Nuns in Thailand ... cause a stir!

Postby Sherab Dorje » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:29 pm

The same think that I believe about the ordination of Buddhist nuns in any part of the world: :twothumbsup:
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Meditation and conduct become delusion,
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Re: Nuns in Thailand ... cause a stir!

Postby Astus » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:15 pm

Let there be nuns! :buddha1:
"There is no such thing as the real mind. Ridding yourself of delusion: that's the real mind."
(Sheng-yen: Getting the Buddha Mind, p 73)

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Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

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Re: Nuns in Thailand ... cause a stir!

Postby conebeckham » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:47 pm

Who could be against it? None. None should be against nuns.

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Re: Nuns in Thailand ... cause a stir!

Postby conebeckham » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:50 pm

Seriously, though...it sounds like there are layers of issues here, with regard to Thai culture, nuns, dress codes, and gender issue bias........I know nothing about any of this, but it's interesting.
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Re: Nuns in Thailand ... cause a stir!

Postby Quiet Heart » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:18 am

GrahamR wrote:What do you think of the ordination of nuns in Thailand?

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews ... vestigated

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I believe officially they can NOT be considered Nuns as by Theravada rules as they can not be ordained as Monks
The reason us that a female can only be ordained by another female .... and the last truelly ordained female Nun odained by Theravada rules died some years ago .... so no one is left to ordain another female by those rules.
Now I am aware that other Theravada nuns have been ordained outside of Thailand, but for the reasons I mentioned above they are not recognised by the Theravada Sangha here in Thailand.
I am not a Theravada Buddhist anyhow, and I am merely statimg what my understanding of the Theravada rules are.
If I am wromg, someone please correct me.
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Nuns in Thailand ... cause a stir!

Postby GrahamR » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:20 pm

Quiet Heart wrote:I believe officially they can NOT be considered Nuns as by Theravada rules as they can not be ordained as Monks
The reason us that a female can only be ordained by another female .... and the last truelly ordained female Nun odained by Theravada rules died some years ago .... so no one is left to ordain another female by those rules.
Now I am aware that other Theravada nuns have been ordained outside of Thailand, but for the reasons I mentioned above they are not recognised by the Theravada Sangha here in Thailand.
I am not a Theravada Buddhist anyhow, and I am merely statimg what my understanding of the Theravada rules are.
If I am wromg, someone please correct me.
:smile:


This is a fair summary. The 'last' Bukkhuni were in the 13th century I think :twothumbsup:

Nuns who have been ordained overseas (Vietnam etc) have moved to Thailand and are ordaining nuns in Thailand. :namaste:

Also some belong to the Theravada tradition and ordained in the west, people may recall the Ajarn Brahm debate about 3 years ago. :thinking:

http://www.iwmcf.org/IWMC.html for example

I hope one day the Thai Sangha may be more progressive on this topic :soapbox:

With metta :meditate:

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Re: Nuns in Thailand ... cause a stir!

Postby Madeliaette » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:42 pm

if the Buddha permitted nuns...... :rules: ... :shrug:
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