PadmaVonSamba wrote:songhill wrote: deludeds are annihilationists who imagine nirvana is mystical death.
That is a misunderstanding you have because the suggestion that buddhists hold such a notion of extinction (mystical death) is typical in so much of the outdated literature on which you rely, composed by western scholars in the first half of the 20th century .
Any Buddhist who believes the Buddha denied the self or âtma is an annihilationist. Period. So where does that leave you PadmaVonSamba? I'd say you're at least a nihilist because attâ is a problem for you and others who claim to be Buddhists.
"But if nihilism is anything, it is first of all a problem of the self. And it becomes such a problem only when the self becomes a problem, when the ground of the existence called "self" becomes a problem for itself. When the problem of nihilism is posed apart from the self, or as a problem of society in general, it loses the special genuineness that distinguishes it from other problems" (Setsuko Aihara, Nishitani Keiji, Graham Parkes, The Self-Overcoming of Nihilism, 1990, 1).