Piety, Filial Piety, Pietas and the Third Pure Precept

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Re: Piety, Filial Piety, Pietas and the Third Pure Precept

Postby LastLegend » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:30 pm

Huseng wrote:http://ctext.org/liji

You find prescriptions for animal sacrifice, violence and other such gruesome behaviours. It is entirely incompatible with Buddhism.


At this point, I still don't know. I don't know Chinese and history of the text. But there seems to be a lot of contradictions that I am afraid to jump to conclusion until I am further updated.

It would be problematic to say that Confucianism has always been the mainstream ideology of China. Depending on the time period at times it was Mahāyāna Buddhism that held greater sway. After the Song Dynasty onward especially Confucianism picked up momentum again, though before that for a thousand years a lot of people in China, I imagine, had little to do with Confucian texts as they were either illiterate or just had less interest than in Buddhist works. In the Tang Dynasty the state was often more interested in Daoism than Confucianism and Buddhism. Before that for several centuries Buddhism was very mainstream at all levels of society.


This does not disprove what I said about humanism of Confucianism and Taoism was the foundation for the successful growth of Mahayana Buddhist in China. Can you offer another explanation why Mahayana has become successful in China and Vietnam but not in other countries?
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Re: Piety, Filial Piety, Pietas and the Third Pure Precept

Postby JKhedrup » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:44 pm

Mahayana Buddhism was also greatly successful in Mongolia, Tibet, Bhutan and Nepal, countries with very little Confucian influence.
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I must obtain control over my own mind.
Therefore, amongst all empowerments, the empowerment that gives me control over my mind is the best,
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Re: Piety, Filial Piety, Pietas and the Third Pure Precept

Postby LastLegend » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:56 pm

JKhedrup wrote:Mahayana Buddhism was also greatly successful in Mongolia, Tibet, Bhutan and Nepal, countries with very little Confucian influence.


Maybe they also have different teachings of humanism. In countries such as Lao, Cambodia, Burma Mahayana has not anchored well.
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Re: Piety, Filial Piety, Pietas and the Third Pure Precept

Postby JKhedrup » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:00 pm

Maybe you could say it didn't anchor but it flourished for quite some time in Cambodia, for example.

I don't know that Tibetan culture has a philosophy similar to Confucianism within it. Certainly family is important, but it is also very important in Thailand which is a Theravada country.
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Re: Piety, Filial Piety, Pietas and the Third Pure Precept

Postby LastLegend » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:07 pm

JKhedrup wrote:Maybe you could say it didn't anchor but it flourished for quite some time in Cambodia, for example.

I don't know that Tibetan culture has a philosophy similar to Confucianism within it. Certainly family is important, but it is also very important in Thailand which is a Theravada country.


You have to have something to catch Mahayana. Otherwise, we have to start with the basic-5 precepts (humanism/to be a human or to be reborn as a human).
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Re: Piety, Filial Piety, Pietas and the Third Pure Precept

Postby Sara H » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:53 am

Just a reminder people that this thread is getting...
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