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Speeding in traffic

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Speeding in traffic

Postby Epistemes » Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:03 pm

I searched for this topic and didn't see any results, which seems surprising.

What is the Buddhist position, if any, on speeding in traffic? I'm sure this would fall under right livelihood, but what's allowed?
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Re: Speeding in traffic

Postby Jhana4 » Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:44 am

I don't think there is a Buddhist position on speeding in traffic. No cars and highways 2600 years ago. The best you could get would be to look at general principals and find a position that fits those principals. Would it be Buddhist? Well the Buddha wouldn't have said anything about it. There is no Buddhist Pope and committee to put the official seal on that position.

The big principal in Buddhism is detachment.

People speed because of attachments ( to money ( work on time ), being upset emotionally, etc ).
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Speeding in traffic

Postby alan » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:18 am

The Buddhist position on this is clear: people who speed are complete assholes.

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Re: Speeding in traffic

Postby Ben » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:04 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Speeding in traffic

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Re: Speeding in traffic

Postby pilgrim » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:45 am

How fast does one go before it is considered speeding? Do some lawmakers in power get to decide that? So it is Ok if one runs just below that limit but becomes an asshole if one goes a fraction beyond that? Nutz

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Re: Speeding in traffic

Postby David N. Snyder » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:58 am

By speeding, especially excessive speeding, you are putting your life and other lives at risk, so probably a violation of First Precept.

Going a few km/h over may be unintentional, but 40 or more km/h (25 mp/h) over is unlikely to be unintentional.
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Re: Speeding in traffic

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:02 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Speeding in traffic

Postby Ben » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:25 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Speeding in traffic

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Re: Speeding in traffic

Postby Jhana4 » Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:36 am

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Speeding in traffic

Postby David2 » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:40 pm

If you want to drive very fast legally, come to Germany:
On our motorways are sections where there is no speed limit at all.

No, seriously, this law is one of the most stupid things in this country.

Edit: Sorry Retro, didn't see that you already wrote this.
(I think Germany is the only country in the world with no general speed limit on motorways, isn't it?)

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Re: Speeding in traffic

Postby Monkey Mind » Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:51 am

Wasn't there some guidance in the Dhammapada about obeying the laws of the land?

I used to think that "mindfulness" meant that I was more capable of driving faster speeds, because I am a safer driver. But I'm with Ben, enough speeding tickets later, and now I focus my mindfulness on the speed limit.
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Re: Speeding in traffic

Postby chownah » Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:12 am

Drive safely.
Don't exceed your own personal abilities and limits for safe driving.
Drive safely.
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Re: Speeding in traffic

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Re: Speeding in traffic

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:14 am

Greetings,

Red is the fastest colour.

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Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Speeding in traffic

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Re: Speeding in traffic

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:48 am

Greetings David,

Now that, I do not know.

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Speeding in traffic

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Re: Speeding in traffic

Postby mikenz66 » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:27 am

Hmm, red has a lower frequency than blue..

In a vacuum the speed of light is independent of colour. In most media (air, glass) red light does go a little faster than blue light... That's why a prism splits up the colours and how a rainbow is created...

Not sure what this has to do with speeding.

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I thought there was a sutta where the Buddha encouraged followers to obey the local laws. Anyone have a reference?

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