Rakshasa wrote:
By my own experience, whenever I sit in the cross legged Lotus posture (actually half Lotus), I have the following three options to choose from:
1. Calm the mental activity, body and relax naturally. Energy is conserved here. Not focused on any particular object.
2. Sharpen the concentration by focusing on a single object and lead to single-pointedness of mind. Energy is expended here and I get tired afterwards.
3. Observe all the Dharmas. Improve mindfulness and wakefulness. Four Stations of Mindfulness.Vippassana.
In terms of the object of focus of mind, we could alternatively define the above three differently as:
1. Focus no nothing.
2. Focus on One thing.
3. Focus on everything.
Examples of the above three types of "meditation" would be IMO:
1. Shinkatza, Void meditation, wall-gazing, sky-gazing etc.
2. Anapanasati, Nembutsu, staring at a candle, etc.
3. Four Stations of mindfulness
I thoroughly believe that all the types of meditations available in the world can all be categorized into any of these three categories - there is no fourth type of meditation (Even Dzogchen fits there I think).
icylake wrote:the original term must be dhyana or sammadhi, in chinese usually traslated as "Ding", or "Chan". i don't know much about Terabada or Tibetan buddhism. but i've heard that all of buddhist meditations are consisted of 'concentration(sammadhi)" and "insight(vipashana)". even Koan zen has the both at the same time.
and "Sutra of Great enlightment" , "Shurangama sutra" , "Avatamsaka sutra" or "the great tretise of the stages of enlightment" describing the stages of Mahayana(Boddhisattva) dhyana in detail.
Rakshasa wrote:What is the relationship between "Calming" (Shamatha), concentration (samadhi/jhana?) I read a Pali sutta once - which I do not recall now - which said that Vippassana can also develop Jhanas.

Rakshasa wrote:Is mindfulness a form of calming (shamatha) or insight (vipassana)? Interesting that you say Shamatha is a form of calming the mind, I like allowing all the thoughts and mental activity to calm down just by sitting in lotus posture with erect spine and trying to relax every muscle of my body so I must be practicing Shamatha.
Where would you categorize "focusing" in the Buddhist scheme of meditation? Someone once told me that if you practice to stare at a candle light with complete focus for long time, you may develop psychic abilities. Since there is effort and mental focus required I dont think this could be classified as "Shamatha" (calming), right?
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randomseb wrote:In Zen it seems, based on the texts of the Patriarchs and ancient sages anyway, "meditation" seems to be not doing anything at all. That includes not doing "not doing". They discourse, for example, about how if you "calm your mind", you are actively "calming your mind", therefore you are busy doing something, not doing nothing, and so the point seems to be to just "watch", without specifically watching anything.. Just being and being aware of this being, sort of thing. By this practice, they say, your mind will "clean itself" naturally. That's all paraphrased of course.
Jainarayan wrote:Doing in not doing. A tree grows; the planets move around the sun; they simply do it, and go with the flow. I don't remember where I found this, but it's part of a document I copied and kept:
Let the thoughts come. Do not force them to go away or try to avoid them. Do not think, 'why are these thoughts coming'? Just let them come and go. Do not focus on any thought. Always remember, no thought is important. Do not worry about any issues. In meditation, things which you gave importance to will come out strongly. And mostly the last thoughts will pop up as soon as mind begins to calm down.
randomseb wrote:Jainarayan wrote:Doing in not doing. A tree grows; the planets move around the sun; they simply do it, and go with the flow. I don't remember where I found this, but it's part of a document I copied and kept:
Let the thoughts come. Do not force them to go away or try to avoid them. Do not think, 'why are these thoughts coming'? Just let them come and go. Do not focus on any thought. Always remember, no thought is important. Do not worry about any issues. In meditation, things which you gave importance to will come out strongly. And mostly the last thoughts will pop up as soon as mind begins to calm down.
You could call this "Surfing the Waves of the Ocean of Mind"
(Ancient Hawaiians had surfing as a religious experience by spiritual types, not just for "fun".. this seems to make sense under that context)
I am not good at consistent, disciplined meditation, probably because I haven't practiced and gained experience. But there's probably as many definitions and meanings of meditation as there are people who do it. My meditation is more like that surfing; like when I get onto Wikipedia. I can start on an article on The Beatles and wind up an hour later on the ultimate fate of the universe. I just go wherever it takes me. Of course I do have my deity meditation, so I guess I do have some discipline.Users browsing this forum: Dan74, Google [Bot] and 8 guests