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New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:08 pm

Greetings,

... and for the sake of clarity, I concur with the statements and sentiments that Dave has expressed above (or since it seems we're on a new page... the posts he made on the previous page :lol: )

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Zom » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:14 pm

Let me support Retro -)

with Jinna Sutta, where Ven. MahaKassapa shows the right way of compassion for further generations. :reading: ;)

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html


However, I do understand the situation when personal practice doesn't bring good results (no matter how hard you try), and you still want to spend your time and efforts in some right and beneficial way. Giving is the best option here. The best dana is sharing with Dhamma (as Itivuttaka says). But Ven. Bodhi gave (and is giving) a lot of Dhamma, and if he still has free time, energy and desire - why not to participate in some social projects.

The mistake would be if he drops all dhamma-practice and dhamma-sharing and will engage in social projects only. But as far as I understood, this is not the case.

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Dan74 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:20 am

Some great suttas have been cited in this thread! :bow:

I wanted to come back to a view expressed here that suggests that the right practice of Dhamma involves practice by oneself and any activity that is concerned with others is at best secondary and usually a distraction. I see this view as forming a basis of the criticism directed at Bhikkhu Bodhi and Engaged Buddhism, in general. Would this be right, Retro?

I think this view is worth exploring. To my way of seeing it holds sway to some extent in all major Buddhist traditions but I would say that it is more valid at the first stage of practice than at later stages where the conceit of the self is thoroughly seen through.

In Mahayana, there is the saying "Returning to the Marketplace with gift-bestowing hands" which comes from the Ox-herding series and is the last stage after enlightenment.



I think here too a view was expressed that the Bhikkhu, having practiced and concentrated on his individual practice for decades has perhaps the maturity to engage in this work as Dhamma practice rather than in a worldly way, with all the concomitant formations and proliferations.

What do you folks think?

And what about the lay? How beneficial and important is such work for lay practice, you think?
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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:26 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:38 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:49 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Dan74 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:02 am

Which quote?

It might be easier if you stated your position on the right practice in your own words both for the monk and for the layman in relation to individual practice, one's peers and broader community. It might help us understand where you are coming from.
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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:10 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:34 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Ben » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:37 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Dan74 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:43 am

Well, there is a Retrovada, just like there is a Danayana - whether we like it or not, we understand the teachings through the prism of our afflictions. And getting to see this more clearly is a pretty important part of practice, IMO. To me, this is part of this forum's usefulness.
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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:46 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Ben » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:49 am

Thank you Retro.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

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