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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Grigoris » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:35 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby dzogchungpa » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:00 pm

I don't know much about this group. Do any well known living lamas endorse or have some ongoing connection with them?
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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Astus » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:09 am

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Grigoris » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:16 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Astus » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:35 am

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Grigoris » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:41 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Stewart » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:07 pm

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Postby Astus » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:16 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Grigoris » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:20 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Grigoris » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:32 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Astus » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:36 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Astus » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:11 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Grigoris » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:28 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Astus » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:57 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Grigoris » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:03 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Astus » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:10 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby CrawfordHollow » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:19 pm

I think that sometimes they go hand in hand. My two cents- sorry.

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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby CrawfordHollow » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:20 pm

But I agree with where you are coming from.

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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Yudron » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:00 pm

The main practice of the Vajrayana and Dzogchen is Guru Yoga. There is the idea that the practitioner receives blessings and empowerments from merging one's mind with an awakened lama's mind. That's it.

It is very difficult for us, as unenlightened people, especially in places where Buddhism is new, to evaluate whether a lama is awakened. Many people would evaluate him or her based on our cultural habits, such as: Is he or she famous, or charismatic, law-abiding, or really smart, or knows a lot of things? What word did you use Astus? Oh yeah... competent.

These things, although they may be present in a teacher, have nothing to do with enlightenment. Therefore, we rely on lineage to publicly authorize people to teach as a lineage holder. It's our Better Business Bureau. Some Tibetan systems have intermediate level teachers who are simply knowledgeable people who have done the core practices of the lineage, who may be given a lama title, or an academic title such as Khenpo. But it is pretty easy to sort these out from a person authorized to serve as a guru and take their own personal disciples.
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