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New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

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New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Jhana4 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:40 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:54 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby bodom » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:34 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Ben » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:44 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:44 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:47 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:04 am

Hi Retro,

The Buddha gave a lot of advice to rulers and lay people about how to build a decent society. Bhikkhu Bodhi expands on this in various writings.
See: http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... 01#p140286 for example.

It therefore therefore seems to me highly appropriate for our monastic teachers to give us advice on such issues. Just as they give us advice on our own personal development. Our personal development is intertwined with society, since the development of generosity and compassion is an integral part of the Buddha's message.

Of course, I certainly don't condone the sort of blatant involvement in politics that Ven Sujato is reporting on.

:anjali:
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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:08 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Dan74 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:20 am

Hmm... the worldly and the spiritual are not separate spheres but impact each other, interpenetrate each other in myriad ways.

For instance, the vast majority of the people in the world, due to poverty and warfare, have no chance and no opportunity to discover the dhamma and practice it. We, who are blessed with both, can do something to remedy this imbalance and perhaps this is what motivates some Bhikkus to act. They help not only by translating the Tipitaka for the likes of us, but addressing the needs of those who are struggling to survive, so that they too have a chance of liberation.

The Buddha's priority was to establish a Sangha and lay a solid foundation in Dhamma, and yet he also got involved in "worldly matters" and politics, did he not, mediating between royals, trying to stave off wars?

"Cherish all beings" means different things to different people, in the way they actualise this, but actively contributing to the welfare of all, seems to me to be within the scope.

I guess I am struggling to comprehend the seemingly narrow notion of what a monk "should" and "should not do" here...
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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:27 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:54 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Nicro » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:40 am

I fully agree with Retro here.

And I don't see the point in the quote from "Broken Buddha". Of course some monks don't follow Vinaya. But some do. That doesn't mean all monks are to be looked down on or something. Some laypeople are murderers, that doesn't mean all of us are.

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:51 am

Greetings,

A relevant piece from Bhikkhu Pesala...

Money Makes the World Go Round
http://www.aimwell.org/Books/Pesala/Money/money.html

:anjali:

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Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby chownah » Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:14 am

retrofuturist,
I think that being a monk is a worldly thing....do you agree?
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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:20 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Ben » Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:47 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Dan74 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:48 am

Retro, there is a fair bit of hubris in asserting that you know what "adher[ing] to the letter and the spirit of Buddha's teaching"entails better than Bhikkhu Bodhi and many other venerables.

In the meantime, you have not shown that what he does is contrary to this spirit and letter.

The concern that the Sangha becomes enmeshed in political and worldly affairs is understandable and valid, but going so far as implying that the monastics who choose to do some relief work or take a stand in support of their people, like in Burma, are going against "the letter and the spirit" of Buddha's teaching is going too far, IMO.
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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

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