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Postby Rakz » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:55 am

Chogyal Namkhai Norbu. Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State (Kindle Locations 179-182). Kindle Edition.

But such a being may manifest a body through which others can have the possibility of being helped. The Body of Light, or the Light Body of a being who has realized the Great Transfer, are both phenomena which can be actively maintained so that those having the visionary clarity necessary for perceiving them can communicate with the fully realized individuals whose bodies find themselves in a dimension of pure light.

What happens to the rainbow body if it is not actively maintained? Is it something that can be lost?

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My interpretation of this somewhat difficult point is that although the realized yogin who attains rainbow body has more or less merged with space itself, through compassionate intention they can manifest in subtle form (thus actively maintaining) which can be perceived and directly related to by those with the capacity of subtle awareness developed through advanced dharma practice.
I believe this would be equivalent to a samboghakaya form. It must be similarly possible for a being who has accomplished the result of rainbow body to emanate a nirmanakaya form if they are compelled to, since we do have nirmanakayas of beings who attained rainbowbody amongst us.
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Re: Rainbow body

Postby deepbluehum » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:34 pm

What he means is that the rainbow body is always active.

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Well, the whole point of a nirmanakaya emanation is specifically to benefit innumerable beings, manifesting in a form they can perceive, right? But if we are to follow ChNN's statement posted by the OP then only certain beings with a high level of clarity can perceive the maintained form related to rainbow body that he is referring to. Which seems quite a lot like the qualities of Buddhas manifesting in sambogakaya. Of course, these categories are merely conditional referents we give meaning to, so we could change the meanings any time and perhaps they are meant to change according to a deeper understanding that I may not have. But I was merely interpreting based on the level of understanding I now have, which is not much.
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Re: Rainbow body

Postby ngodrup » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:17 pm

I'd go too, but I'm not sure I'd recognize him.

According to Tulku Tondup, last time Kyabje DoDrupchen Rinpoche
met with him there, he was dusty old shoemaker, and nobody
in the entourage knew why DoDrupchen Rinpoche was bothering.
Only after they asked, did he reveal who it was and that he was
receiving teachings.

Anyway, Manjushri lives there too... who want to try and meet them?

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Re: Rainbow body

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"Garab Dorje was considered to be not only a great adept, or Mahasiddha, but also the Nirmanakaya, or emanation of Vajrasattva. Thus he was enlightened even before his birth in our world-system, and it followed that he taught the Dzogchen precepts to humans and nonhumans, principally the Dakinis, since earliest childhood, beginning with the exposition of the above Tantra when he was a three-day-old infant".

Extract from "The Golden Letters" by Snow Lion Publications, p. 207, "The Historical Existence of Garab Dorje".
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