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Minding my own business

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Minding my own business

Postby thornbush » Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:47 am

As the title suggests...
Where do we draw the line on that? Where do we not draw the line on that?

Opinions? :thanks:

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Re: Minding my own business

Postby Fede » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:32 am

I'm getting a feeling of deja vu...... :jumping:

For me, to witness something directly, which seems to contravene one or more of the 5 precepts, is sufficient to warrant my poking my nose in where it might be both unwanted and unwelcome.

"For Evil to triumph, it is sufficient that good men do nothing".

(Attributed to Edmund Burke.)

Can't stand by and watch, I'm afraid......
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Minding my own business

Postby genkaku » Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:39 am

Dear thornbush -- Can you describe what, exactly, is NOT your business?
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Re: Minding my own business

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Re: Minding my own business

Postby Fede » Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:51 pm

Bhante, tell me about it!!

Fortunately, I do not personally encounter anything major or life-threatening at first-hand, though I am painfully aware many do.... but small beginnings... ripples spread. That's all I can do. Weed a small garden.

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"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Minding my own business

Postby David N. Snyder » Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:17 pm

I suppose there might be some exceptions, but in general:

When it impinges on someone's peace, well-being, happiness, etc.
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Re: Minding my own business

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:26 pm

Daka Thorny, please feel free to mind my business. :anjali:

I take everything on a case-by case basis and never say anything about other people's kids.


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Re: Minding my own business

Postby genkaku » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:53 pm

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Re: Minding my own business

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:19 pm

Pets too! Seriously! :smile:


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Re: Minding my own business

Postby thornbush » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:14 am

Once, many many years ago, whilst I was working part time in a shopping complex, a husband and wife came over to my apparel brand counter and started shouting abusive words at her, then took her by her hair and slapped her continuously like it was her annual tight slap day and dragged her away. I called on security and they were led out of the complex and the man had to be dealt with by 3 guards and he was abusive to them too.
My business? :thinking:

What of people who tell you that you're a precept breaker for not being a vegetarian and that your pet should also be one? Their business?
My business to remind them that it is none of theirs? :juggling:

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Re: Minding my own business

Postby Ben » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:34 am

Hi Thornbush

Your male customer was assaulting another and where I come from that is a criminal offence. Should we step in to protect the weak or vulnerable? Absolutely!
Were you right to call security and get the customer off the shopping complex property? For sure. I would have done it myself.

As for being publically accused of being a 'precept breaker' for not being vegetarian, then:
- You are not in breach of any precepts by consuming meat. There are a couple of technicalities but for the purpose of this argument lets say that you did not see the animal being killed or induce someone to kill on your behalf. The person who accused you of being a 'precept-breaker' is ignorant of the Buddhadhamma. Is it your business to inform this person that they are wrong? Perhaps in a highly charged emotional situation you could calmly ask the person to point out in the Tipitaka where the Buddha says that the consumption of meat is in breach of the precepts. That in itself may silence your erroneous friend.
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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Re: Minding my own business

Postby pink_trike » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:52 am

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Disclaimer: I'm a non-religious practitioner of Theravada, Mahayana/Vajrayana, and Tibetan Bon Dzogchen mind-training.

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Re: Minding my own business

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Re: Minding my own business

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:50 pm

In re vegetarian pets: Thorny, you should not take e-sangha chat room too seriously. :lol: :toilet:

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Re: Minding my own business

Postby Ben » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:42 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Minding my own business

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:48 pm

You musta been eavesdropping last night Ben. :lol:

Anyway, there was advocation of feeding cats a vegan diet, and I lambasted the parties involved; trying to enforce human morality on animals is just ridiculous. I'm a vegetarian; my cats, being carnivores, eat meat, my frogs, also carnivores, eat worms. I no more expect them to be vegetarians than I expect them to follow the Four Noble Truths. There are websites with specious arguments that cats can subsist on a vegan diet, but there is also a very large number of cats who have become blind, crippled and died because well-meaning vegans tried to raise their cats as vegans.

Arghh, don't get me started. :soap: :popcorn:

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Re: Minding my own business

Postby Ben » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:10 am

No John, I wasn't evesdropping!
I'm just all too familiar with the personality type of the fundamentalist vegetarian.
How is Oreo going?
We lost one of our greyhounds, our beloved Blaze about six weeks ago. It broke my heart.
Metta

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Minding my own business

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:49 am

Oreo is doing great; she made a complete recovery. So sorry to hear about your dog, I know that is a heartbreaking loss.

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