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On Aro gTér

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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby DGA » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:57 pm

I've never seen Malcolm (as Malcolm or as Namdrol) make any such comment in public on Aro gTer. You could just ask him, though. He's not so hard to find online. The closest I've ever seen him get to acknowledging Aro gTer recently is to say they were having more fun doing their thing than their critics were in pointing out the rather obvious problems in their narrative.

As for the rest of the claims made, I don't know. There are other threads here at DW that may give some information that is relevant and useful to you...

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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby DGA » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:00 pm

Of relevance, starting particularly around page 3...

http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.ph ... &hilit=aro

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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby plwk » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:08 pm

Correction on thread link:

Jikan, Malcolm responded to the thread and I left a question for him and up to him to respond to Gendun's claims...

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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby DGA » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:19 pm

Very good. I look forward to finding out what he thinks.

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Postby Yudron » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:21 pm

No one one can say that this gentleman's visions and dreams of a previous life in a small tantric community in Tibet, receiving a terma lineage for a line of female adepts, are confirmed by historical records. But whether it is a dangerous thing that he is propagating a terma tradition that probably didn't exist historically is a big deal or not is open to question. Some lamas feel these kind of things are very destructive (and this is reflected in people on this board who make strong posts about it), others think it is not a big deal.

No one can say it is authenticated in the historical sense, and you can see how one of his main disciples, Shardrol, deal with that in the thread that was linked to above.
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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Grigoris » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:54 pm

I mean, like, who cares. Like REALLY! There is more than enough info out there in cyber space on these people from both sides of the fence. If somebody, given all the info out there, has the karma to join them then no quantity of statements by any number of individuals is going to make them not join.

So instead of just engaging in (even more) useless speculation and beating a dead horse, that has been reduced to sub atomic particles after so many years of beating, wouldn't it be better we all just engaged in something constructive?
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Re: On Aro gTér

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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby DGA » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:30 pm

On second thought, and at the request of a DW member, I'm reopening this thread on the condition the conversation remains civil and factual.
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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Grigoris » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:53 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby DGA » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:59 pm

Hi SDW,

The robes worn in many of the photographs I've seen of Aro gTer practitioners appear to depart in certain ways from traditional designs I've seen others wearing. One example would be the incorporation of embroidered roses onto the white section of a red-white-red zentra (wish I had a photo of this at hand to show you what I mean! my apologies for working from memory).

Here's what I'd like to know: from your point of view, in what ways are the robes and other garments used among Aro students and teachers traditional or representative of a tradition? In what ways might they be novel? And where do those innovations come from? Are they indicative of particular characteristics of this school?

Many thanks.

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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby conebeckham » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:40 am

I have a sincere question: are the Aro folks reciting liturgy in Tibetan? Or English? And are the termas in English, as are, if I recall, the Flaming Jewel folks' practices?


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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby Grigoris » Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:32 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: On Aro gTér

Postby mindyourmind » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:17 am

I think the Aro folks are ok, at least on the bits and pieces that I know about them.

I wouldn't practice there, but I don't think they do harm, and maybe they even do some good in spreading the Dharma.

I see no real reason to run them down.

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