Canon and doctrines, precepts.

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Canon and doctrines, precepts.

Postby zamotcr » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:41 pm

Hello,

We all know that the Buddhist canons (specially Mahayana ones) are extensive. A lot of sutras, completely untranslated. There are a lot of doctrines, some sutras threat women as devil, others as essentially the same as men. Others sutras teaches about not to eat garlic's, onions, etc. Some sutras contradicts them self (maybe apparently). Others precepts not even mention it. And a lot more stories like this.

I mean, I'm a lay practitioner, maybe I will never read the complete canon nor study it.

I'm coming from Theravada, basically I thought that only the 5 precepts were necessary, but then, reading, I found Brahma Net Sutra precepts, next to it, Shurangama Sutra, threatening the garlic, onion, etc as evil food, etc. This confuses me a lot, how should I take all of these doctrines? Should I accept whatever sutra I read? Should we take all the sutras literally? Historically correct? Or sometimes the meaning than the history are more important?

I mean I don't want to be a dump Buddhist, but a good one, but sometimes, I feel that all of this is overwhelming.

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Re: Canon and doctrines, precepts.

Postby lowlydog » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:15 pm

Practice and theory must go hand in hand on the journey.

Don't worry. :smile:

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Postby Yudron » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:08 am

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Re: Canon and doctrines, precepts.

Postby Konchog1 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:54 am

This is why treatises that gist the Sutras are helpful.

Like the Jewel Ornament of Liberation for the Kagyu sect or The Great Treatise on the Stages of the Path to Enlightenment for the Gelug.

Generally Mahayanists hold the 5 lay vows (also called the lay Pratimoksha vows) and the Bodhisattva vows.

Here are the Bodhisattva vows held in the Tibetan sects. The 18th vow is the most important.
http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/ar ... edges.html
Equanimity is the ground. Love is the moisture. Compassion is the seed. Bodhicitta is the result.

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Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
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Re: Canon and doctrines, precepts.

Postby Astus » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:53 am

There are two things one should pay attention for: harmlessness and compassion. These two are what essentially the bodhisattva's actions are guided by. Fused with wisdom it becomes the sila-paramita.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Canon and doctrines, precepts.

Postby Sara H » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:07 am

"Life is full of suffering. AND Life is full of the Eternal
IT IS OUR CHOICE
We can stand in our shadow, and wallow in the darkness,
OR
We can turn around.
It is OUR choice." -Rev. Basil Singer

" ...out of fear, even the good harm one another. " -Rev. Dazui MacPhillamy

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Re: Canon and doctrines, precepts.

Postby seeker242 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:46 pm

One should not kill any living being, nor cause it to be killed, nor should one incite any other to kill. Do never injure any being, whether strong or weak, in this entire universe!

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Re: Canon and doctrines, precepts.

Postby zamotcr » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:19 am

Should lay people avoid sex? Reading through posts in this forum, a lot of members thinks it should be avoided.
How is the sexual misconduct interpreted? Avoiding using wrong orifices? :tongue:

There are a lot of views, every master said different things, I don't know who to believe.
Some expects you to take the 48 precepts from brahmanet, to refrain from listening music, or practicing martial arts, or to play games, but, this is the way laity should follow?

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Re: Canon and doctrines, precepts.

Postby Indrajala » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:31 am

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Re: Canon and doctrines, precepts.

Postby Indrajala » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:35 am

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Re: Canon and doctrines, precepts.

Postby kevdogg » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:05 pm

i was once a member of a vaisnva sect where "offences" and consumption of certain foods were huge taboos. I found many seekers caught up and fixated on these things, so much so that they were taking this to be sadhana. I grew very frustrated cuz it seemed that noone had any insight as to why they were "offensive" or detrimental to the practioner. Furthermore I find the practice of aryurveda to be very usefull in creating and maintaining good health for practice and one of the prohibited roots ginger is very good for me to consume to maintain proper digestion and respitory health. There has to be some balance in regard to these things. We are looking to create proper conditions for samadhi right? To build merit and use all we have to help others no?

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Re: Canon and doctrines, precepts.

Postby Indrajala » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:46 am

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Re: Canon and doctrines, precepts.

Postby zamotcr » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:21 pm

Well, making conclusions and reading here and there, I think that avoiding garlic or onions is just personal and cultural. In my latin american kitchen, its almost impossible :tongue:
Anyway, buddhism, specially Mahayana, is very influenced by the culture. Chinese Buddhism is very different from Japanese or Korean or from India.

And about sex and lay people, I will stick with 5 precepts (ignoring the bad hole teaching lol), and I know I can progress only with 5 precepts.

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Re: Canon and doctrines, precepts.

Postby Indrajala » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:50 am

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Re: Canon and doctrines, precepts.

Postby JKhedrup » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:17 pm

It is also good to differentiate between natural misdeeds and proscribed misdeeds.


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