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Is "The Dhammic free-for-all" a worthy approach to Buddhism

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Is "The Dhammic free-for-all" a worthy approach to Buddhism

Postby Jaidyn » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:25 pm

Summary: Discuss this very argumentative way to approach Buddhism; the benefits, shortcomings, and traps in regard to developing true understanding of the Dhamma.

This part of the forum offers an unique atmosphere where you are encouraged, if it is your wish, to rely on your arguments rather then on common opinion or on texts otherwise regarded as authoritative. You are also encouraged to pick up controversial and challenging topics.

Are these kinds of discussions important or not for spiritual development? Why, and when?

From time to time people seem to be eager in participating, but does participation in such an atmosphere help your spiritual progress, or on the contrary: is it a hindrance whereby you rather stay away? What have you learned by participating or by not participating? How do you reach your conclusion regarding these questions?

Why this question? That which starts with good intentions can lead to discussions, which the individual takes as fuel for own bad intentions and delusion. Still I think there is a value in this way of discussing when good intentions and wisdom is predominant. In my belief this can both help or hinder development, and deeper understanding about the details of this process is therefore interesting. Better understanding would also help in deciding when and how to chose this approach. So I ask for your personal reflections :) My post need not to be replied to in a strict sense, if I gave that impression.

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Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:50 pm

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Re: Is "The Dhammic free-for-all" a worthy approach to Buddhism

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Re: Is "The Dhammic free-for-all" a worthy approach to Buddhism

Postby PeterB » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:10 pm

I think that this a meta- meta discussion. Its the very essence of a meta discussion.
I think it behoves you Jaidyn to settle in a while before launching a reform movement :smile: .

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Postby PeterB » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:27 pm

Clarification would have been nice. As it is I have even less idea what you are on about.... :smile:

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Re: Is "The Dhammic free-for-all" a worthy approach to Buddhism

Postby appicchato » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:21 pm

Funny (to me) how every time I see (or hear) the word 'individual' these days (and many in the past) I think of Alex...

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Re: Is "The Dhammic free-for-all" a worthy approach to Buddhism

Postby Ben » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:36 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Is "The Dhammic free-for-all" a worthy approach to Buddhism

Postby Ben » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:37 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Postby Ben » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:46 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Is "The Dhammic free-for-all" a worthy approach to Buddhism

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:36 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Is "The Dhammic free-for-all" a worthy approach to Buddhism

Postby Ben » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:20 am



Please note that ths thread is for the discussion of the role of the DFFA Forum.

Please also go to to participate in the discussion there.
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Is "The Dhammic free-for-all" a worthy approach to Buddhism

Postby Jaidyn » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:08 am

I am happy with your way of handling my thread.

My intention has survived into the new thread you created in compensation, and it gladdens me that it turns into interesting discussion. :smile:

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Re: Is "The Dhammic free-for-all" a worthy approach to Buddhism

Postby Dan74 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:39 am

The Dhammic-free-for-all is also useful for those of us whose practice isn't strictly Theravadan but who would like to have some input or discuss matters with our Theravadin brothers and sisters.

To me it's been very valuable to learn a little of how some experienced folks here view things, both for my practice and general knowledge.

Besides strong debate and the feelings it evokes can be good practice in itself. Not necessarily "feel good" practice especially when we believe that we must always be calm, composed and detached but it's an opportunity to face things we would rather not face, which I think is vital for practice.
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Re: Is "The Dhammic free-for-all" a worthy approach to Buddhism

Postby shjohnk » Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:42 am

I stay away from that forum. I have enough self-produced pappanca.

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Re: Is "The Dhammic free-for-all" a worthy approach to Buddhism

Postby manas » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:35 pm

Hi jaidyn,
personally, I've not found engaging in argument in the 'dhammic free for all' conducive to either mental calm or wisdom. The reason I've involved myself there quite a bit in the past, is that it was fun and/or interesting. But although arguing or hammering out views does not seem to advance insight for me, it is a better option than reading the newspaper, with all it's nonsense about wars, politicians, etc. But as for spiritual development, pitting 'my view' against 'your view', if that's what you were getting at, is futile and a distraction from the real work that needs to be done, which involves observing thought, and not simply becoming better at using it to defeat an opponent (I'm not implying that anyone here does that, just musing).
Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."


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