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Did the buddha continue to practice meditation?

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Postby morning mist » Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:26 pm

If we look in the Rig Veda, Vishnu and Shiva ( Ruda) are minor deities. Later on a certain person or group decided to designate them as all powerful creators, etc.. They also assigned the Buddha as an avatar of Vishnu , for a certain purpose which I will not go into detail here.

The Buddha himself made no mention of Vishnu as his true identity when it comes to his past lives and the like:

Metta Sutta ( AN 7.59) :
" Whenever the world was destroyed, I entered ( by way of rebirth) among the devas of Streaming Radiance, and when the world unfolded again, I was born in an empty Brahma-palace. There, I was Mahabrahma, the unvanquished victor , holding authority for seven times. And thirty-six times I was Sakka, king of the devas, and many hundred times I was a universal monarch, a just and righteous king."


Some people held the notion that beings from the deva planes are permanent and real while beings in the human planes are not. In the Buddha's teaching all the planes are considered samsara, and that includes all the deva planes also. An awakened being is liberated from all these planes that make up samsara. He is neither identified with being a deva or human, but Awakened. In other words, Buddha.

When it comes to identification with being such and such being in a human or deva plane, these identities are always changing and neither can be considered our true self. In one life he was a Sakka the ruler of the deva, in another life he was a Brahma, yet another he was a king in the human plane, so which one is the true identity. In certain religion, people say the human identity is temporary yet the deva identity is the permanent and true one. However, in the Buddha's teaching both are impermanent( temporary) and not to be identified with as self. There is no self at any point for that matter. Once awakened , these identifications are abandoned, be it human or god identity.

The Buddha said:

"Remember me, brahmin, as 'awakened.'
- Dona Sutta
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Re: Did the buddha continue to practice meditation?

Postby PeterB » Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:32 pm

You may be right kirk5a. You may be wrong. I have no idea. I am not awakened, and I know no one who is.
Are you ?
Certainly we cannot trust the Suttas on this, By the time they were compiled the process of deifying the Buddha was well under way.
So I have no idea if the Buddha could or could not lose his realisation.
I just note the fact that the accounts of his life say that he went off by himself to practice on a regular basis.

There is one obvious explanation for that, however it is not an explanation favoured by some on this forum.
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Postby morning mist » Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:43 pm

The last thing I would want to see is the Buddha running around 24 over 24. He teaches laypeople and monastic disciples in the morning and evening, at night he teaches devas. So It makes sense that he gives his body a break 4 hours a day by not traveling or doing anything and dwells in Voidnesss , mettta, or CFP.

Also , setting time aside for meditation practice can serves as an example for later generations to follow and develop their meditation sucessfully. I see that as a teaching in itself.
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Re: Did the buddha continue to practice meditation?

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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