How sane are you?

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Re: How sane are you?

Postby lowlydog » Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:56 pm

Krishnamurti: “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”

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Re: How sane are you?

Postby Caz » Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:42 am

I get saner everyday I practice Dharma. :buddha1:
Abandoning Dharma is, in the final analysis, disparaging the Hinayana because of the Mahayana; favoring the Hinayana on account of the Mahayana; playing off sutra against tantra; playing off the four classes of the tantras against each other; favoring one of the Tibetan schools—the Sakya, Gelug, Kagyu, or Nyingma—and disparaging the rest; and so on. In other words, we abandon Dharma any time we favor our own tenets and disparage the rest.

Liberation in the Palm of your hand~Kyabje Pabongkha Rinpoche.

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Re: How sane are you?

Postby Grigoris » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:09 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: How sane are you?

Postby Sara H » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:44 am

"Life is full of suffering. AND Life is full of the Eternal
IT IS OUR CHOICE
We can stand in our shadow, and wallow in the darkness,
OR
We can turn around.
It is OUR choice." -Rev. Basil Singer

" ...out of fear, even the good harm one another. " -Rev. Dazui MacPhillamy

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Re: How sane are you?

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Re: How sane are you?

Postby Megha » Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:41 am

The idea that you can magically see why someone is gay is ridiculous.

It's based on a misunderstanding of how the Buddha said the universe works.

To then start saying that it is based on being a woman in a past life and a man the next is the final absurdity, and is exactly where this sort of flawed reasoning will take you.

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Re: How sane are you?

Postby Grigoris » Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:53 am

Thank you Kim and Megha! :smile:

I had heard about the Niyamas, but have never come across an actual teaching (Sutta/Sutra/Tantra) on them.
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Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: How sane are you?

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Re: How sane are you?

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Re: How sane are you?

Postby Megha » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:23 pm

The number of influencing factors is infinite.
The relationships are also non linear.
It's a total waste of time speculating about this one or that one.
That doesn't mean that there is no karma, just that speculative views lead to a hall of mirrors.
And that will drive you crazy and get you into all sorts of intellectual tangles.
Can you explain to the parents of a handicapped child that it is a karmic resultant of so and so action.
No. That is not how it works.

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Re: How sane are you?

Postby corrine » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:07 pm

How sane are you? and the issues with mental illness are not mutually exclusive. A lot of us deal on a daily basis with maintaining our sanity in a challenging environment. Someone quite close to me, on the other hand, has dealt with what I term 'true mental illness' all of his life. For me, Buddhism helps me to keep a grip on reality and keeps me from wandering around inside my head creating painful scenarios. For him, nothing helps because he is lost in a truly dark place where there is no way out, to his way of thinking. Drugs, talk therapy etc have helped him a little, but not much. For him, his mind is the enemy. He has not been able to step back far enough to see that there are things he could do that would make him feel more capable of finding peace. He is not able to focus that far.

There is a difference between true mental illness and sanity challenges, however I believe that Buddhist practices can help many of us to stay in a place where sanity is obtainable, where we are able to keep our perspective on the world as it is and not on the circles of hell that we are capable of creating out of nothingness. Sanity is relative. To me, it is a state where I am able to exist in the world as it is, to interact with my fellow living creatures and perhaps make a small contribution, where I do not see danger and threats everywhere I look, where I am able to take people at face value and not see them through my own perhaps 'off' perspective. Sanity is the daily goal - to live in the real world and not wander around a made up one, whether positive or negative.

So my sanity is a day to day issue. When I meditate regularly, I stay focused. When I do not, my mind tends to wander off on its own, creating pain where there was none and problems that are of my own imagination.

corrine :)

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Re: How sane are you?

Postby Sara H » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:52 pm

"Life is full of suffering. AND Life is full of the Eternal
IT IS OUR CHOICE
We can stand in our shadow, and wallow in the darkness,
OR
We can turn around.
It is OUR choice." -Rev. Basil Singer

" ...out of fear, even the good harm one another. " -Rev. Dazui MacPhillamy

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Re: How sane are you?

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Re: How sane are you?

Postby Sara H » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:36 pm

This is why we don't just take refuge in the Dharma.

As Buddhists we take refuge in the Buddha (in our sitting) The Dharma, AND the Sangha.
All three.

This is something that is a part of Transmitted Zen Buddhism.

It is also a part of Tibetan Buddhism.

And I believe part of Theravadan as well. Though I'm not familiar with their training on this.

People do have these experiences and there are ways of verifying if they are real or just Makyo.

An experienced priest or monk can tell the difference.

There is a very big difference from a genuine spiritual experience and the various makyo or hallucinations that can come up due to poor posture or whatever.

It is up to an experienced priest to tell the difference.

But this is a part of Buddhist practice.

I trust someone who has spent a lifetime training in the Dharma as a monk whether that be a Zen Buddhist or a Tibetan, to know about this better than I do.

However one of the ways I can tell you that there is a real difference is that after something like this comes up, usually the corresponding tension or problem in the body or behavior goes away.

For instance a past life coming up concerning a knee injury that is found to be linked to battlefield karma, will likely result in the tension releasing and the knee healing in a way it never did before, or better than it ever was.

There's an actual noticeable change that occurs. It's not just a mental theory.

But again, a qualified priest would know better, if there's a question involved. As they've been trained to deal with this.

In Gassho,

Sara H
"Life is full of suffering. AND Life is full of the Eternal
IT IS OUR CHOICE
We can stand in our shadow, and wallow in the darkness,
OR
We can turn around.
It is OUR choice." -Rev. Basil Singer

" ...out of fear, even the good harm one another. " -Rev. Dazui MacPhillamy

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Re: How sane are you?

Postby greentara » Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:47 am

greg said, "The reason that it spends no more time on the issue is because sexual identification, regardless of preferences, is not an element of liberation. Quite the contrary, it is just another mode of identification, just another way to further reify the "I" or "me".
This rings true to me. All sexual, political or social arguements are pointless....if you're honest you'll realize they all end in samsara with the "I" or "me"!

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