Essential Zen Practice

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Essential Zen Practice

Postby Astus » Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:19 pm

"If a thought arises, be aware of it; once you are aware of it, it will disappear. The excellent gate of practice lies here alone."
(Zongmi on Chan, p. 123)

"Do not think of any good or evil whatsoever. Whenever a thought occurs, be aware of it; as soon as you are aware of it, it will vanish. If you remain for a long period forgetful of objects, you will naturally become unified. This is the essential art of tso-ch'an. Honestly speaking, tso'ch'an is the dharma gate of ease and joy."
(Dogen's Manuals of Zen Meditation, p. 181)

"One must not delve into thoughts that arise, whether good or bad. As soon as a thought arises, he must become aware of it. He must always be aware of what arises in the sphere of consciousness without losing clear discrimination, and without becoming dull or scattered. A myriad of years is nothing but one moment of thought, which is neither discontinuous nor continuous. This is the essential Way (or method) of Zen practice. Zazen is in itself the doctrinal gateway of “comfort and ease.”"
(The Baizhang Zen Monastic Regulations, p. 256)
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Essential Zen Practice

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Re: Essential Zen Practice

Postby Astus » Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:44 am

And what is that right practice in your opinion?
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Essential Zen Practice

Postby icylake » Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:04 pm

is it Satti ?

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Re: Essential Zen Practice

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Re: Essential Zen Practice

Postby Astus » Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:58 pm

Zazen is not a matter of body posture, nor is it a method to achieve something. This is what the Platform Sutra (ch. 5) and later generations say.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Essential Zen Practice

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Re: Essential Zen Practice

Postby Astus » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:55 am

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Essential Zen Practice

Postby Astus » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:19 pm

It is interesting that you bring up Dogen again while none of the three original quotes are from Dogen or even a Caodong teacher.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Essential Zen Practice

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Re: Essential Zen Practice

Postby _username_ » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:52 am

I've been studying the Beginner's basics of Zen ... So that covers the formation of a beginner's introduction into Zen mind, Beginner's mind.

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Re: Essential Zen Practice

Postby Beatzen » Mon May 13, 2013 3:45 am

"Cause is not before and Effect is not after"
- Eihei Dogen Zenji

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Re: Essential Zen Practice

Postby Astus » Mon May 13, 2013 9:30 am

Both sequential and simultaneous cause and effect are mistaken, this has been shown by Nagarjuna and even the Lankavatara Sutra has a small chapter for it. As I see it, Dogen follows the general view of Zen as sudden enlightenment, just as in the Platform Sutra and others, with the exception of some special emphasis on seated meditation. Practice is enlightenment because the only practice is not grasping phenomena, what is the same as enlightenment. This is the "essential zen practice" stated in the OP.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Essential Zen Practice

Postby dyanaprajna2011 » Mon May 13, 2013 1:47 pm

From my understanding, Zen practice is anything that pointed directly to one's true nature, the Buddha-nature within. Zen masters throughout history employed a wide range of techniques to reach this end. Zazen, while appropriate and useful, was just one of these techniques. It was up to the teacher to decide which technique was right for the individual.
"If you want to travel the Way of Buddhas and Zen masters, then expect nothing, seek nothing, and grasp nothing." -Dogen

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Re: Essential Zen Practice

Postby Beatzen » Tue May 14, 2013 5:54 am

"Cause is not before and Effect is not after"
- Eihei Dogen Zenji

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Re: Essential Zen Practice

Postby Astus » Tue May 14, 2013 10:12 am

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Essential Zen Practice

Postby gordtheseeker » Tue May 14, 2013 9:14 pm

Good info. Thanks! Zazen is wonderful. It's the one practice that always seems like home.


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