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Hi futerko,

So I'm sitting in the heart centre(I get this) single pointed concentration heart centre is the object completely present, How does insight arise? What is being observed?

This sounds like jhana to me.

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Hi johnny,

I was wondering how we would know right action, if there was no form of punishment, as I am trying to increase my awareness to all times not just those on the cushion. If it's just consciousness labeling things good or bad with enough training we could become professional hitmen and experience no consequences. I just have to feel there is a natural order at work and there are consequences.

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Re: Thinking

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Hi johnny,

I wouldn't say I'm having a hard time, I understand my practice, but I have found that looking at things from a different perspective can help me to learn. I am not studious and have a poor memory, it takes a long time for things to sink in. My apologies if I'm testing the patience of others and I'm not trying to be disrespectful of others practices, I just don't understand how these other traditions work,YET! I will keep knocking on the doors until I get an answer that satisfies me.

I practice for hours every day and I find it neat when something just clicks during meditation like a puzzle piece found its place. I gather puzzle pieces from alot of different places, like the Buddha did, he wasn't of this religion or that religion he was just a guy who put the puzzle together.

I don't understand visualisation or chanting I see it as a form of supression, I can see it being good for concentration but not as a way to look at the mind body phenomenon and gain liberative wisdom. How does one use visualisation or chanting off of the cushion? And I know find a teacher and practice it to find its benefits, but this is not something I am willing to do at the moment.

I believe we need a certain amount of book knowledge and then we need to practice, practice, practice to gain wisdom.

Thanks for your time johnny :smile:

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Postby futerko » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:27 am

Actually I practice Tibetan Buddhism, and your understanding seems fine as far as I can tell - It sounds like the issue you are having is about integrating formal sitting practice with your everyday life when not sitting. It can take time.

What form of Buddhism are you practicing?

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Postby Johnny Dangerous » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:09 am

I don't think you've been disrespectful at all, and i've enjoyed the thread.

As far as visualization and chanting, it does the same stuff as seated meditation, and in fact i've heard it said that an added bonus of Tantric practice is that you can simultaneously experience both conventional and ultimate reality, whereas sutra methods are one or the other at a time.

At any rate, they lead to the same thing, but each person will gravitate towards different stuff I think, and Tantric methods all seem to include seated meditation as well. Far as how you do it throughout the day..well literally you visualize yourself as deities, and chant in your head - or out loud throught the day, It is a practice that can be done whenever, like mindfulness or similar. It is not just chanting, there a whole ways of doing the practice, visualizing it, listening that make it what it is. Naturally, many volumes of instruction and commentary exist on these methods, just like seated meditation.

I don't think any one should feel obligated to think of one thing or the other as better, just find what resonates. It is good to have a sangha and teacher though I waited a long time to do that.
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A burmese form,

This was a question that came up in a weekly Theravaden sutra discussion group I attend , I was hoping to get some other views on this. :smile:

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http://www.mahamudracenter.org/MMCMembe ... c420995633

Naturally all the caveats apply here, might want to find a Tibetan teacher before attempting them yada, yada, yada...but a few are quite well known meditation techniques, some of which I knew of prior to checking out Tibetan Buddhism.. maybe these might be of some use.
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