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the great rebirth debate

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Postby retrofuturist » Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:21 am

Greetings Chownah,

Presumably aversion to what one perceives as superstition.

"Superstitious faith is the kind of faith the devil has" (James 2:19)

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Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby chownah » Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:25 am

Aloka wrote:
I find no need for a view in either direction and such views have no relevance to my practice either.

Some people have the view that it will rain tomorrow...some people have the view that it will not rain tomorrow....I will be working inside all day tomorrow and I'm too busy working inside today to even formulate a view as to whether it will rain tomorrow or not....and it has no relevance to what I'm going to do....

Seems like the same thing to me....seems to make sense...I guess....
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Greetings Mike,

Indeed - hence the word "perceive".

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby mikenz66 » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:38 am

And since this thead is geting rather long and repetitive I'll just point to some quotes I gave last year from Ajahn Sumedo and Ajahn Buddhadhasa on rebirth:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=41&hilit=mikenz66&start=1660#p97581
Ajahn Buddhadhas (in common with others such as Ven Nanananda and Ven Nanavira) certainly argues that dependent origination is not about rebirth, but that's quite a different issue.

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For me the main point is what happens on the cushion.
I think we should be inclusive.
Whether we are talking about diet or whether we are talking about models of punabhava we should in my view include all in order to point them to the meditation cushion.
I worry about the idea of a series of hoops that people need to go through in order to reach the cushion...
The cushion will teach us...with a little help from teachers qualified to do so.

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