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the great rebirth debate

A discussion on all aspects of Theravāda Buddhism
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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

Postby PeterB » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:27 pm

I dont know if this helps or hinders Lazy eye, but i didnt have you in mind.
I find you very undogmatic..

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Alex123 » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:44 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Alex123 » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:47 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby PeterB » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:03 pm

It is a momentary structure that arises and passes away from moment to moment and in the case of any given individual this process can occur from moment to moment for a hundred years. :smile:
This is true both at the atomic level, and at the psychological level.

As I said I have no wish to convert anyone to my view.
I think its worth putting on record the fact that there are a number of interpretations..
And to once more direct those interested to the work of Ajahn Buddhadasa, To my mind the greatest Theravadin thinker of our age.

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Alex123 » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:18 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby PeterB » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:36 pm

Of course it is a literal body that dies...no one is putting forward another hypothesis that i am aware of.

I refer you to the body of work of Ajahn Buddhadasa...and withdraw.


I have no mission or agenda. Apart from pointing to the alternatives to the Three Lifetimes model.

:anjali:

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Alex123 » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:41 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby PeterB » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:47 pm

Alex...which part of " I refer you to the body of work of Ajahn Buddhdasa and withdraw " do you not understand..? ;)

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Alex123 » Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:39 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby ancientbuddhism » Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:13 pm

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby ancientbuddhism » Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:16 pm

Perhaps rebirth as dogma is an internet thing where the fundaloonies come out of the .html woodwork like orcs in the Mines of Moria.

I haven’t read all 118 pages of this mosaic, but I can only imagine that this impasse has occurred here before. What has perplexed me over the years in these forum ‘rooms’ is that whenever this topic comes up and a rebirth-agnostic with present-life DO analysis position is offered, the fundaloonie takes it as his/her mission to refute it as though it was a heretical misrepresentation of the Buddha, or it is a claim that the Buddha never taught it, or that it was presented as the only way to interpret the matter; all of this coming from a position which carries none of that baggage.
I say, beware of all enterprises that require new clothes, and not rather a new wearer of clothes.” – Henry David Thoreau, Walden, 1854

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Alex123 » Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:19 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby ancientbuddhism » Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:42 pm

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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