The mechanics of what we call "belief"

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Re: The mechanics of what we call "belief"

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:33 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: The mechanics of what we call "belief"

Postby alan » Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:03 am

The operative word is faith.

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Re: The mechanics of what we call "belief"

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The mechanics of what we call "belief"

Postby alan » Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:41 am

If you promise not to tell anyone, I have the feeling that I was a bhikku in a former life. That feeling is not something I can support rationally. But I'm sure it is a feeling I need to follow.
I don't have any guide posts in this journey. But I can say there is a faith that it might just be true.
So do I choose to believe this? Would it be best if I acted on this?
I'm going to say yes.

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Re: The mechanics of what we call "belief"

Postby chownah » Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:50 am

Bare mechanics:
Faith and knowledge are the bases for beliefs.
Question:
Is there anything else that can act as a basis for beliefs?
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Re: The mechanics of what we call "belief"

Postby chownah » Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:31 pm

Kim O'Hara,
I'm not sure about wishful thinking but might it be a kind of self delusion? I think that delusion is a basis for faith....also I thought of another one: ignorance....so the updated post becomes:

Bare Mechanics:
Faith, knowledge, delusion, ignorance, and wishful thinking are the bases for beliefs.
Question:
Is there anything else that can act as a basis for beliefs? Or are some of these incorrect?
chownah
P.S. Maybe delusion and ignorance are the same thing?
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Re: The mechanics of what we call "belief"

Postby Prasadachitta » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:08 pm

Hi all,

It seems as if there is a tendency to use words like, knowledge, belief, faith, and reason, as if they have real fixed meanings. I think we all understand these words in subtly and sometimes not so subtly different ways. Not only do different people relate to these words differently but I think individuals tend to fluctuate in how they understand the meanings.
"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: The mechanics of what we call "belief"

Postby PeterB » Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:11 pm

Personally some of the time I place stuff in the cloud of unknowing...I neither accept or reject it..just leave it there happily. Sometimes such and such situation arises and I reach into the cloud and retrieve it...as and when.

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Re: The mechanics of what we call "belief"

Postby daverupa » Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:48 pm

:goodpost:

Thirded (although having that phrase also be the title of a medieval tract by a Xian mystic strikes me as ironic).

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Re: The mechanics of what we call "belief"

Postby Viscid » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:20 pm

"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: The mechanics of what we call "belief"

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Re: The mechanics of what we call "belief"

Postby chownah » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:52 am

For me the correct application of faith (belief) is that if my source of information is reliable enough then I will suspend my judgement long enough to try out what it recommends.
For example, I have tried enough things that the Buddha taught about and gotten good results with it so now when I read something new about what the Buddha taught I have enough faith from my previous experiences to try it out....and.....(this is the important part)...I have enough faith to suspend doubt while giving it a try...the purpose of the faith in my view is to clear the mind of doubt while finding out for ones self because if the mind is filled with doubt it does not allow the arising of the benefits of the teaching.
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