the great rebirth debate

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:59 pm

My stance to any belief is - if it helps you and motivates you to practice the noble eightfold path- then go ahead and believe it! if it hinders you in the path to 1) becoming a better person 2) developing mindfulness, concentration and insight- then please let go..

In any case, what can be verified now- we need to hold lightly- what more needs to be said about that which cannot be verified now! We may have faith in the Buddha's word- nothing wrong in that- only people who have trust issues find this a problem- but even then, please let go.. Arguments about who is right, is in the realm of defilements-kilesa, IMO.

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

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• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Your post is equally arguable from either direction Akuma.

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

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With Metta

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

Postby chownah » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:49 pm

Rowyourboat,
My view is that the try to be a "better person" is contrary to the "have no doctrine of self" teaching which as you know is a very important concept in fulfilling the path. Maybe the idea of becoming a "better person" would be helpful for someone who has not bought into the "have no doctrine of self" teaching but it seems that the Buddha was pretty good at not portraying his teachings as self improvement even for the novice. If I explain some teaching to a beginner or to someone making idle conversation and just wondering about Buddhism (for example) I might talk about self improvement but I would also at the same time mention something at least tangentially about anatta....but that's just me....
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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby PeterB » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:51 pm

What the individual sees as essential is not the issue.
The question becomes what does the Buddha see as essential, and he answers that with the 4NT, and 8FP, not by recourse to punabhava... a concept which is capable of diverse interpretations...a diversity which has led to this thread of inordinate length.


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