gregkavarnos wrote:Dear lowlydog and zealot,
What a load of bullshit you guys are spouting. You have no idea what you are talking about. Your statements are complete nonsense. How about you both go off and grow a brain and maybe come back with something intelligent to say? I mean, REALLY!
gregkavarnos wrote:The action itself also plays a role in karmic outcome. I would recommend you go and study Jamgon Mipham Rinpoches Gateway to Knowledge Vol II, Chapter 9 The Truth of Origin - Karma, especially paragraph 9.36 in order to gain a better understanding of the workings of karma in regards to right speech.
Yudron wrote:I'm earthy and blunt person is real life, and I had a rude awakening when I started co-facilitating a Dharma group in 2001. People were really sensitive! And, also, they had concepts about what a Dharma person should be--I guess some kind of eternally sweet nun. My roughness did not go over very well. I developed two personas, constantly watching my language and behavior in Dharma groups to match the group culture... and that culture is different depending on the lama in charge.
I've become more practiced at it now, so it does not feel so unnatural. Most of the time I do reread my posts here and mainly listen to the little tiny voice inside that says "Yudron, I know you would really like to post that, but it's going to cause problems for you."
But still, I make lots of mistakes.
lowlydog wrote:From my meditative experience I have found that the mental volition behind the action is of utmost importance, no scriptures are necessary for this thank-you. I suggest you develope the ability to feel the bodily sensations at the subtlest level for yourself, and then you will also see this for yourself at the experiencial level.
And your knowledge of my practices arises as a consequence of your omniscience?I think our practices differ greg, yours seems to have you think your way through life supressing your urges, and mine is to feel your way through life observing the sensations and emotions that arise and practice equaminity towards them.
I was speaking in reference to actions in general, not right speech specifically. I was talking about intention not being the only component necessary to generate karmic outcome, that the action itself also plays a role.futerko wrote:gregkavarnos wrote:The action itself also plays a role in karmic outcome. I would recommend you go and study Jamgon Mipham Rinpoches Gateway to Knowledge Vol II, Chapter 9 The Truth of Origin - Karma, especially paragraph 9.36 in order to gain a better understanding of the workings of karma in regards to right speech.
I can't find any mention of right speech until paragraph 9.59, are you sure you mean 9.36? I can't see how that part is relevant.
What other value could it possibly have?Zealot wrote:Well greg, it seems to me your intention was to demonstrate harsh speech with no value or rather debasing value.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html"Harsh speech — when indulged in, developed, & pursued — is something that leads to hell, leads to rebirth as a common animal, leads to the realm of the hungry shades. The slightest of all the results coming from harsh speech is that, when one becomes a human being, it leads to unappealing sounds.