I may be wrong Lazy Eye .but I interpreted Ben's remarks not in the context of western society at large, but in the context of Buddhist forums...where an unhealthy obsession with what other people put in their lunch packs seems to to be a large part of the the raison d'etre for some people posting at all.
When we consider the way that food in general is produced focusing on meat production is much too narrow.
We moved back two years ago to the Greater London area after almost nine years in the west country of the UK...whole tracts of this largely rural landscape are now devoid of most insect and bird life...Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring " has come true outside of the towns and villages...whole tracts of land which support impeccably vegetarian production are wastelands...
No insects, no birds, no mammals no amphibians no reptiles...no wild flowers...just monoculture deserts of meat free oilseed rape, completely vegan fields of wheat and barley..and nothing moves under the sun apart from those products of monoculture.
Ironically, given the context of this debate the exceptions are those fields in those farms where there are livestock. With the concomitant insect and bird life and those that predate insects and birds as part of the big cycle.
No one is free from their engement with the processes of death..whether dedicated carnivore or purist vegan . As anyone who has ever raised veggies will attest it is not possible without killing.
And I havent even mentioned my wifes big concern....nematodes.