Johnny Dangerous wrote:
As far as medicine or substances goes that we take on a regular basis, certainly they can have some benefits, but like St. John's Wort, isn't the Dharma supposed to be our head medicine? I myself struggle with depression, and rather than smoke to bring up my mood, I'd much rather meditate on the preciousness of human life or loving kindness which in my experience can certainly bring me out of those funks I get into.
This level of strictness and "hard" approach to Dharma is not good, you are going to burn yourself out on Dharma IMO with this kind of approach, being this harsh on yourself or others with what is right and wrong is a prescription for disappointment, including towards yourself.. just in my experience of course.
Secondly, regarding the above statement, like anything loving kindness takes time to create positive potential, and to change our views for some of us anger and dark have been our "normal" state for a long time and we need something beyond just meditation for the time being, it would be nice if we could just sit for five minutes and suddenly we'd be fine, but that is not reality, and if that is your expectation you are setting yourself up for failure, as well as projecting onto other people a view that sounds akin to the same kind of criticism I could get by walking into my local baptist church.
Seeing someone else as less Buddhist than yourself for taking st. John's wort, antidepressants, whatever is not the same as seeing yourself coming from a low place, and if your intent is to "be humble", with respect I think you are doing the opposite.
I'm no expert practitioner by any means, but honestly man, everything you've written so far has basically been a statement that others should stop their behaviors, and practice Dharma in the way you are. I don't take this personally at all, so i'm trying to jump on you, but I really think you should
take a look at your own motivations for posting this stuff, and i'll do the same.
I myself struggle with depression, and rather than smoke to bring up my mood,
Didn't you just recently post a thread arguing for the benefits of Pot, and you've even done so somewhat in this thread. You are telling me "what you do" as if you have some permanent self that has discovered the "correct" way to deal with depression, a self that didn't apparently even exist a few weeks back..do you think it's wise to speak as if this version of you (the one that no longer smokes pot to mask depression) is somehow "real" now? What will the truth be if this self is gone and the old one comes back?
Sorry, I'm not saying someone is less Buddhist for taking one substance or another, I'm just stating the ideals as I see them. People should take what they feel benefits them in whatever form it arises for them.
I'm not telling you what to do. I've showing my view on things. You talked about St. John's Wort, I posted my view on it.
Depression is also another completely unrelated topic that I'd be happy to discuss. Depression is just a state of mind, a very negative one. But it is something we choose to engage in. While stuck in the cycle of smoking, I often feel down when I'm sober and the knowledge that smoking will make me happier often makes me more depressed because it also, in turn, makes me feel like an addict. Addiction in general contributes highly to a negative mindset. I don't know about the permanence of my state of mind, but currently when I feel negative emotions, being mindful of how they arise and applying the appropriate antidote or just increasing my awareness of my mindset works wonders for me. Possibly in a week or two I'll feel completely different.
I posted on here because I feel like I have experience with addiction and felt that perhaps I could help you. Also, I felt like attitude I was shown regarding my smoking habits in the topic you mentioned was not shown to you at all, and I wished perhaps unfairly to portray a negative view of your coffee habit. Honestly, I could care less if you drink coffee all day long, you're not likely to go rob a coffee shop to get your fix, but I bet your anger flairs up when you're without it.
Johnny Dangerous wrote:
A minor thing really in the big scheme of things for me, but I am terribly addicted.
I wonder if anyone else with this experience has advice?
I'm sorry you feel like I was preaching and that the advice I posted was viewed as elitist. I don't think I have any more to offer to this topic or to you in any case, so I will hence forth refrain from posting here. Best of luck to you on your journey. If you wish to keep discussing these off topic things, please PM me.