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Mindfulness of Breathing

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Mindfulness of Breathing

Postby clw_uk » Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:25 pm

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Re: Mindfulness of Breathing

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Mindfulness of Breathing

Postby Ben » Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:41 am

Hi Craig

I think if you get yourself a copy of the Vissudhimagga it will be of great benefit to you.
Your main questions are answered in paragraphs 234-237 in Vissudhimagga VIII, which which is part of Buddhagossa's commentary on Anapanasati.
Briefly, the tetrad you have quoted, as Retro indicated, deals with the development of insight.
My apologies I don't have the time to quote it to you here.
Kind regards

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Re: Mindfulness of Breathing

Postby clw_uk » Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:12 pm

Thanks for the tips guys



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Re: Mindfulness of Breathing

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:43 pm

It may be of benefit for you to read the few Satipatthana posts in this section. and possibly looking at the Anapanasati section of the Satipatthana Sutta.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Mindfulness of Breathing

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Re: Mindfulness of Breathing

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Re: Mindfulness of Breathing

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:59 am

Try focusing on the breath at the chest (some translations indicate this) and expand the area of attention but keeping to mind the breath after you have settled and your attention is strong.
sounds hard, doesn't it.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Mindfulness of Breathing

Postby nathan » Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:54 pm

The Anapanasati Sutta
--A Practical Guide to Midfulness of Breathing and Tranquil Wisdom Meditation
by Ven. U Vimalaramsi
http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/clubs/buddhi ... /main.html
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But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Mindfulness of Breathing

Postby fijiNut » Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:48 pm

clw_uk,
Mindfulness of Breathing is a unique meditation technique in that it fulfills all the pre-requisites for enligthenment, if we carry out the 16 steps.
I have found Ajahn Brahms interpretation of the technique much more intimate and less scholarly, and easier to understand on a subjective, personal, intuitive level as opposed to Ven. Vimalaramsi and Ajahn Buddhadasa's meditation guides.
There is another thread here on his ebooks:

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=199

"Sensitive to rapture" - in my limited understanding is that one actually feels it, as one drops each of the 5 senses one by one (leaving the mind sense), this is particularly blissful, as the mind lets go of the world of the senses.

You should have "calmed the breath" beforehand (naturally, without gripping or force; this is not pranayama!) the rough texture of the breath at the point of contact should have changed to a smoother texture kind of like rubbing denim on your upper lip to rubbing silk on your upper lip, eventually, it gets very fine that perception of in-breath and out-breath, long and short breath, will.... disappear!
Be sensitive to pleasant feelings at this point, relax, if the pleasant feelings don't come, don't worry, it will come, at this point, the purity of your mind and sila is important, if it doesn't, try to cultivate wholesome mind states through the day.
Or you haven't sufficiently cultivated the first 4 steps. So you have to let the steps gradually unfold, we can't rush it, strong buildings are built on solid foundations, if we rush through the first 4 steps, it is like building a house of cards.

Most importantly, go on retreat, consult your teacher in real life to learn the technique,; everything will happen naturally, you can't force it, if your mind states aren't good to start off with in the beginning of the sit, learn to do chanting, metta, and the 10 anusatis (reflections), double up on your efforts to protect your sila and wholesome mind states throughout the day.

All the best.

kind regards,
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Re: Mindfulness of Breathing

Postby clw_uk » Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:51 pm

Greetings


Thank you all for your advice, its been most helpful



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