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how do i understand the memory? - Dhamma Wheel

how do i understand the memory?

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Gena1480
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verbal (sound) and pictures ( vision)?

Postby Gena1480 » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:20 am

from what i understand
we hear a sound then we identify the sound with verbal name which is sound and then we give verbal definition to verbal name, verbal definition is a sound
infact the sound and verbal sound and verbal defenition of verbal sound are all sounds and do not have a true meaning.
it would be wrong to think that identification of sound means anything
we see a form then we identify the form with form expressions(visual) then we take visual expressions and identify them with visual definitions,which is a vision
it would be wrong to to think that identification of any form means anything
as one sound cannot identify another
as one form cannot identify another
non have true meaning
now from this i can understand that we hear a sound
then we have a verbal name
then we speak a sound definition
now from this i can understand that we see a form
then we have a visial expression
the we visualaze a form definition.
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how do i understand the memory?

Postby Gena1480 » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:45 am

from what i read in the suttas
we are are products of our past actions
i can uderstand that past action bring current results
what i cant understnad is what is present or current state
i know we create units of time to identify
with current satuation
as i cant find any units that would bring me to understand that this is now state
as time is impermanent
there can not be current state or state of now
as this bring me further to understand that
as i cant find this state of now
then there is no self as i cant identify anything as current state of mind
now sound cant be identify as current state
now vision cant be identify as current state
now i know for a fact that my memory is not mine
but a borrowed memory
the same way i learned my verbal memory from others
the same way i learned my picturre memory from others
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Re: how do i understand the memory?

Postby ground » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:01 am

I don't quite understand your verse but as to the question/title of the thread I would phrase the answer this way:

"memory" is nothing other than the cascade of dependent origination. Therefore "memory" arises in dependence on all aggregates.

First there is a "stirring" dependent on form/body which may be called "sankhara". Only if there is attention this "stirring" develops further until it "crystallizes" (implying alleged "concreteness"). If there is contact perception and feeling and papanca and volitional formations ensue.
The sense bases involved are one or more of the physical senses and the mind base. Mind base entails determining consciousness which necessarily implies "memory".


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Re: how do i understand the memory?

Postby Gena1480 » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:12 am

now the buddha divides the verbal memory in wholesome and unwholesome
now the buddha divides the picture meomory in wholesome and unwholesome
what is the differents?
as for what is wholesome can be unwholesome for another
what is unwholesome can be wholesome for another
is wholesome and unwholesome memory
impermenant and change
or the wholesome and unwholesome memory
actions permenant as they lead to certian results
the buddha speaks that some wholesome action bring to the nibbana
while others to hell
i cant understand that certain sound and vision bring on different results
for me they seems to be same
do i have the wrong view?

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Re: how do i understand the memory?

Postby ground » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:30 am


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Re: how do i understand the memory?

Postby Gena1480 » Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:05 am

hello to all i finally understood
how colors works
all colors works as mirrors
if for example we look into the clear water
we see a reflection in the water
in the same way, light or color
works as a reflection
if one can acess the reflection of the color or light
one can see clearly into the mind.
but even the reflection of the light
is impermanent.
well i have to this to the practice.

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Re: how do i understand the memory?

Postby altar » Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:33 am

I'm wondering about this.
At a vihara in Queens, NY, the elder bhikkhu was giving the damma talk.and as i was listening i had the thought:
How many kinds of memory are there?
at this he said, "and you will have sublime thoughts."
Somehow i seem drawn to issue, it seems "prescient" in my life.
Earlier i thought, good/bad would be normal categories of memory. When i share with people, particularly with whom i "share memories," notions of path seem to become fuzzy or no longer relevant in the same way. In some ways sharing "opens up the sphere."
Meditative memory (along with some recollection) are certainly different from crossword puzzle type, though.


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