Lojong as " stealing " ?

[Simon E.]

Take Lobster with a dash of salt

and a squeeze of lemon . . .

I will also be providing postings on retroactive karma - why praying for your present state from your future Enlightened Buddha state is not kicking in . . .

. . . and now back to the Long John practice . . .
http://web.archive.org/web/20070210031327/http://pages.britishlibrary.net/edjason/eight/

Its not clear to me how this furthers the discussion...

[JKhedrup]

The link itself led to the 8 verses I think. But the comments were a bit confusing. Hey, not everyone gets my sense of humour either.

[lobster]

Its not clear to me how this furthers the discussion...

When we have our knickers in a twist we need further Long John practice.
Sorry to steal everyone's seriously precious time

Perhaps we can rob from the rich (Buddhas, the enlightened etc) and give to the poor of dharma?

[Son of Buddha]

I have no personal experience of formal Lojong...On another forum I have just read a startling debate where one of the participants describes Lojong as " stealing the karma of others " and " thwarting their negative desires "..

Any comments ?

I didnt know you could steal someone elses trash(negative karma)

Lojong/Tonglen is essentially growing your own mind.its a practice that helps reverse ego by exchanging your self for others.its the practice of rebilitateing you.


Ideally you are not stealing,you are takeing others trash and giving them gold in return.