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ngodrup wrote:If one actually is a high level Bodhisattva, it would work like that.
All my teachers have said that tong-len etc. only work on oneself until that time.
The love helps others, but the taking of karma is only a skilful means for oneself.
In a way, others benefit because you use them as an means to enhance your own
realizations... but ... for practitioners...
Simon E. wrote:I have no personal experience of formal Lojong...On another forum I have just read a startling debate where one of the participants describes Lojong as " stealing the karma of others " and " thwarting their negative desires "..
Any comments ?
JKhedrup wrote:There is an transcript of HH Dalai Lama's commentary on the 8 Verses Lojong here: http://www.lamayeshe.com/index.php?sect=article&id=381
Various texts on this genre, many of them very accessible, from the Gelug perspective can be found on the Lama Yeshe Wisdom Archive site Lojong section: http://www.lamayeshe.com/index.php?sect=article&cid=50
Of course, it is most unlikely that we shall actually be able to take on the sufferings of others and give them our happiness. When such transference between beings does occur, it is the result of some very strong unbroken karmic connection from the past. However, this meditation is a very powerful means of building up courage in our minds and is, therefore, a highly beneficial practice.
In the Seven Point Thought Transformation it says that we should alternate the practices of taking and giving and mount them on the breath.8 And here, Langri Tangpa says these should be done secretly. As it is explained in the Bodhicaryavatara, this practice does not suit the minds of beginner bodhisattvas—it is something for a select few practitioners. Therefore, it is called secret.
JKhedrup wrote:Lojong is a whole genre of literature. "Lo" mind and "jong" to train. Certainly, the Tonglen practice is one of the key points elucidated in many of the Lojong texts.
duckfiasco wrote:The slogans are just wonderful
I recommend the original poster take a look at the full list sometime. They can be like adding gunpowder to the fire of your practice.
Take Lobster with a dash of salt
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