Johnny Dangerous wrote:Our culture thrives on excess, suggesting that maybe sanity should be applied to sexual tastes I think strikes many people as 'prude'. As much pleasure as I can have, all the time please. I want a 24/7 pleasure IV.
Of course it's not just sexual orientation or practices though, we are encouraged to make identities of everything in this culture.
I've also see alot of Buddhists who don't take the fifth precept as seriously as i'd think either, it's not like we are exactly encouraged to have self control in our daily lives - like I said, pleasure IV please.
tomamundsen wrote:Couldn't it just be that most people on Buddhist message boards are lay people and lay Buddhists are not expected to be celibate? Lay people take vows to avoid intoxicants and some sects of Buddhism are strict on vegetarianism. But pretty universally all Buddhist traditions don't tell lay people to stop having sex. No?
I always hear a lot of whining, bargaining, and "Navayana" when I tell people Buddhism forbids masturbation, oral, and anal sex.Huseng wrote:Is it that a lot of western Buddhists approach Buddhism from a sexually liberal mindset where any suggestion of curtailing such things would be taken as a puritanical assault on their sexuality?
Huseng wrote:Continence of course is not celibacy.
(b) Letting Go of Discursive Thought
Even though we may be in an isolated place, not seeking possessions and such like to any great extent, if our mind falls under the power of desire, a genuine state of meditative concentration will not arise in our being, and our mind will be unable to rest in a state of absorption. Therefore thoughts of desire must be given up. To turn our thoughts away from attachment to desirable things is particularly important for gaining the special higher levels of concentration, so we should certainly turn the mind away from craving after members of the opposite sex by reflecting on the cause, the fact that they are not easy to obtain; their nature, which is impure; and the result, which involves a lot of harm, and so on.
Ayu wrote:In German discussion-forums sexuality in the view of buddhism is a very hot discussed topic - if it arises. But it feels uncomfortable to join. The topic easyly becomes too personal. Maybe some people feel the same like I - it is not so often discussed like "being vegetarian", "Rebirth" or "buddhist emptyness".
In our western history the celibacy has been used by the christian church to make the people feel guilty. Normal people with a normal sexuality have been told to be weak and dirty. Thus they could become dependend, the poor sinners.
This gives us a bitter taste if somebody says "You have to restict your sexual feelings." Sigmund Freud would jump around in his grave: "This is supression of the natural emotions!"
This makes it difficult to say it like the Dalai Lama told... Many freethinkers will be bothered by his words.
Even if he's right.
Simon E. wrote:It may be because I am of an earlier generation than most posters, or because I am English..
On the other hand,I'm not sure going all fire and brimstone is the answer either.
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