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Postby Kim OHara » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:22 am

Hi, Jason,
I didn't say that it wasn't viable, only that your evidence wasn't enough to prove that it was viable.
However, if we wanted to consider different systems as being engaged in a quasi-Darwinian struggle for survival, then anarchism doesn't look like a particularly strong contender. :thinking:
More later, maybe.

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Hi, Jason,
Your response is valid but is somewhat at cross-purposes to what I wanted to suggest but didn't have time to explain properly.
I imagined all the possible ways of organising communities coming into peoples' minds, all over the world and throughout history, and being tried. Those which worked well would survive and be passed on, while those that didn't would be replaced - or, indeed, the community would simply dwindle to nothing.
Some systems emerge again and again and survive pretty well: the tribal chief supported by his council of elders, for instance. Some emerge again and again and just don't survive, and here I would have to put pure communist and pure anarchist groups, since they always seem to degenerate into dictatorships or simply disintegrate from their internal stresses.
I am not at all considering whether any of these systems are morally good or bad, or whether they lead to people's happiness - just whether they work well enough to persist, which seems to me to be an essential quality of any system of government.

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In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Postby Dhammakid » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:32 am

Hello everyone,
Discussion is going great so far.

Something I've been considering regarding anarchism and Buddhism as compatible lifestyles: Buddhist practice has a view towards death and the hereafter, whereas anarchism does not. As a matter of fact, a lot of anarchist theory I've read holds a strong nihilist view, or no view at all. Anarchist lifestyle holds the liberation of the individual in this lifetime as an end in and of itself, and that's where it stops. Because there is no view towards karma or rebirth, it becomes easier to justify any means necessary to achieve liberation from oppression. In this way, I now feel the two lifestyles are incompatible.

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Re: Buddhism and Anarchism

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So you are just realizing this now? Congratulations.

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Re: Buddhism and Anarchism

Postby alan » Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:59 am

Jason,
You seem to be trying to squeeze your radical politics into a Buddhist perspective. It is not working.
Dk: You don't need a degree to talk about this, you only need a basic understanding of the issue. Here is the issue:
Anarchism=Heedlessness. Show me any way to construct a society upon this basis. Show me any society that has ever existed based upon the ideology of anarchy.

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Re: Buddhism and Anarchism

Postby alan » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:58 am

Gandhi was an anarchist? Seriously?
Perhaps it is time for you to define you term.

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Re: Buddhism and Anarchism

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Define your term. And then show how it can be applied. Please avoid cliches.

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