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Thai Saddha in Arahants and Relics

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Thai Saddha in Arahants and Relics

Postby SeerObserver » Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:59 am

Arahant monks, upon death, are either preserved/mummified or cremated. I haven't heard of any to be buried, although I would like to hear about any relevant accounts of that as well if there are some to discuss.

There are bodies of monks who have passed away on display in Thailand that have not decomposed. Many are said to be miraculously not decomposing, but is that the case with all of them or are some of them are acutally processed for preservation? Is it that an arahant has transcended certain natural phenomenon?

Then there is the matter of what remains after cremation. Oftentimes there are pellets and some other solid matter left behind which are then kept as relics. What exactly are these pellets, and how is what remains after the cremation of an arahant different from anyone else? When a non-arahant is cremated, is this matter not left behind? Is it only ashes and dust that remain? It has also been said that some bodies would not burn until certain conditions were met and things of that nature.

There is also a belief and practice regarding conjuring up relics. There are accounts of people praying for and receiving relics. Are these of the Buddha, Arahants, or whom? Also, what are they, bones?

Background information would be appreciated as well. Generally, what are the beliefs and practices behind relics? Specific examples, well-known or otherwise, would also be appreciated.

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Re: Thai Saddha in Arahants and Relics

Postby gavesako » Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:05 am

Ajaan Lee Dhammadharo of Wat Asokaram asked not to be cremated but instead for his body to be kept in a box.
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The article really provides a good background for the understanding of this saddha, beliefs, and practices.

It would be interesting to know what the pellets are actually composed of.

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Re: Thai Saddha in Arahants and Relics

Postby jcsuperstar » Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:44 pm

they look like glass or plastic, i have a little stupa with some from thailand..
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Postby nathan » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:27 am

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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~ swimming upstream is tough work! ~

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Re: Thai Saddha in Arahants and Relics

Postby nathan » Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:46 am

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Thai Saddha in Arahants and Relics

Postby clw_uk » Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:26 pm

I did read somewhere that the hair and nails appear to grow but this is because the skin starts to shrink due to loss of moisture, hence the nail and hair seem to get longer


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Re: Thai Saddha in Arahants and Relics

Postby nathan » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:39 pm

I don't think that the receding of skin at the cuticles could account for some of what I have seen with corpses but it isn't an important point to me one way or the other.
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