Nichiren Shu vs Jodo Shinshu

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Nichiren Shu vs Jodo Shinshu

Postby xkatz » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:49 am

I feel very torn between these two schools/sects. I see a lot of good and Dharma in both. I was wondering if any members of either* would like to argue why they think they're school is "better" (better being purely subjective thing in this case) than the other. I hope we can do this and be civil! :smile:

*If we don't have members of these groups, any from a similar group would suffice

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Postby DGA » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:17 pm

You can learn and grow in either school. It's also possible that either one will be a poor fit for you as a learning situation, even though there's good Dharma to be found in both traditions. So what to do?

Practice with both for a while (assuming you have access to temples & teachers in both traditions). Practice with some other schools too if you can. Practice a lot. Figure out where you feel at home, where you feel at ease but also challenged. In the end, the label on the temple matters less than on a whole spectrum of other factors. The point is to find a place where you can learn and grow in practice.

In my opinion, the heated rhetoric that gets thrown around (or has been thrown around) among sects and traditions is just not helpful. We're better off cooperating and collaborating as best we can or, failing that, just doing the live-and-let-live.

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Postby Queequeg » Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:02 am

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Re: Nichiren Shu vs Jodo Shinshu

Postby Son of Buddha » Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:39 am

There is no misrepresentation.

The object of devotion for observing the mind)

(note Ven Nichirens words are offensive to many,I qoute them so you can get an idea of what he thought of people who follow Buddhist sutras other than the Lotus sutra)

"All the teachings other than the one chapter and two halves are Hinayana in nature and ERRONEOUS.Not only do they fail to lead to enlightenment,but also they lack the truth.Those who BEIEVE in them are meager in virtue,heavy with defilment,ingnorant,poor,solitary and like birds and beasts"

how many goshos tell Buddhists to abandon all sutras other than the Lotus sutra?
I could probley fill 20 pages just on qoutes from Ven Nichiren telling Buddhists to abandon all other sutras(no sir there is no misrepresentation of his teachings)

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Re: Nichiren Shu vs Jodo Shinshu

Postby plwk » Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:53 pm

Boy..this thread is like trying to compare sushi and sashimi...which is better? Isn't it the case of the consumer's decision? :popcorn:

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Re: Nichiren Shu vs Jodo Shinshu

Postby Illuminaughty » Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:17 am

There may be nembutsu adherent's who teach that this life is hopeless but that's certainly not the teaching of Honen or Shinran. True entrusting takes place in this life. Entering the ranks of the truly settled takes place in this life. Amida grasps us right here and now.


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