Why not Theravada

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Re: Why not Theravada

Postby JohnRammy » Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:54 pm

If you are interested in the stories of "mortal men", definitely read the biographies of Chokgyur Lingpa and Dudjom Rinpoche.

There is more than one Buddha. The founders of Vajrayana, the Mahasiddhas, were all Buddhas.
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Re: Why not Theravada

Postby Admin_PC » Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:54 pm

I saw that documentary & liked it too.
I believe it was funded by Thai Theravadans, with some of their monks being the ones speaking.
Also included are a large number of followers of Tibetan Gelug tradition (Robert Thurman, etc), and I believe at least one Zen practitioner.

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Re: Why not Theravada

Postby JohnRammy » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:16 pm

They need to do a PBS documentary on the Mahasiddhas who founded Vajrayana, starting with their basis in Madhyamaka.
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Postby tattoogunman » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:38 pm

Even better would be a comprehensive documentary covering EVERYTHING so that people like me wouldn't be so confuddled :twothumbsup:

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Re: Why not Theravada

Postby catmoon » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:25 am

I did a little reading and it appears that the current Thervada mainstream thoroughly rejects the idea of nibbana as self. It also seems to run contrary to the teachings of the Buddha in the Pali canon, so on balance it can only be regarded as an aberrant teaching held by a minority and probably flat wrong at that.

To get a rough overview all one needs to do is refer to the Wiki on Anatta, which does cover these ideas.
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Re: Why not Theravada

Postby Grigoris » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:54 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Why not Theravada

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This very sticking point is one of the reasons that Wat Phra Dhammakaya in Thailand is so controversial.

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Re: Why not Theravada

Postby Grigoris » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:27 pm

In the Tibetan traditions (for example) the only school that held an eternalist view of "True Self" were the Jonangpa, and you know what happened to them? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonang
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