michaelb wrote:As I mentioned in another thread, I am interested in doing gcod more often. I did the short kusali offering (without special melody or instrumental accompaniment) as part of the LN ngondro, which I just had the lung for. I have also received the Dudjom Throma wang which I think doesn't actually include a gcod transmission like 'opening the sky door' but is just a standard deity empowerment. I understand to do full gcod in the Dudjom Tersar tradition, you have to do a special ngondro and other things (maybe complete Throma sadhana?) I was also wondering about Longchen Nyingthig gcod. I've heard there isn't a specific empowerment for this, Yumka is enough along with the khandro Gejang lung, is that right? Also, I was told that traditionally the Kagyu empowerment into the Lujin practice [traditionally] entails heavy commitments of having to do the 108 cremation ground practice or something like that, but I was given the lung for the practice.
I suppose my thinking is kind of all over the place and I was wondering where to start and how.
I'm planning to attend this empowerment. I like the look of the website and the setup seems kosher but following the study programme seems quite expensive at $275 per module. (I just looked again and it seems to have gone up to $325).
Anyway, how does one start these practices? Does one need the Opening the Sky Door transmission or need to do other things first?
michaelb wrote:Thanks Yudron. I have a couple of Tersar Throma texts given to me by the group of the lama that gave the empowerment. These are a very short offering of the body, much like the Kusali Tsok in the LN ngondro. I'm not sure if it is "the concise feast" that you mention but it doesn't have everything in it in the sense of explicitly mentioning various white, red, mixed or black feasts, well maybe a white feast but not much else. Sadly, the text I have doesn't have a title other than "Throma" followed by a brief description and note that it was discovered by Dudjom Lingpa and translated by Sarah Harding. The other one is a Throma yidam sadhana with no 'feasts' other than a tsok. It's called "The Quintessential Accomplishment in Accordance with the Lineage of the Vajra Essence" compiled by Dungse Thinley Norbu Rinpoche.
I understand that if you are choosing to specialize in the Tersar Throma cycle, doing the 100 day retreat etc. doing the ngondro and completing the approach and accomplishment of Throma are important, but it's still kind of okay to do the larger gcod practces including all the feasts even if you haven't done the preliminaries? Maybe the practice would just be less effective?
I wanted to hear from anyone that had experience of the Kagyu Lujin. Are there any qualifications required to practice this? I suppose many Kagyupas would have plenty of experience visualizing themselves as Dorje Pagmo but what if you haven't done any other Kagyu practice?
Regarding Longchen Nyinthig, is it okay to do the Khandro Gejang straight after ngondro or would one be expected to complete the three roots first or something else? Anyone have any knowledge or experience.
Kunga wrote:Alternatively, you could come to Kathmandu and receive the wang from Dampa Sangye himself, Lama Tsering Norbu Rinpoche.
Rinpoche gives the wang, lung and tri regularly and openly and you can learn the music and practice of the Longchen Nyingtik chod every day with his monks. He does not expect or require that people have done Ngondro. Also he doesn't charge for teachings.
(Rinpoche gives an extensive 'opening the sky door' transmission initiation.)
A Dudjom lama friend in Boudha told me that this wang is sufficient to do the Dudjom throma or any other chod practice, if one has the relevant lung for the practice.
michaelb wrote:Magnus, I've just moved house and will be without broadband internet for another week. (Typing on this phone is a lesson in patience in itself.) I think I've already had this transmission. I think Rinpoche gave it when he gave the Dorje Drollo empowerment earlier this year? I was also under the impression that the gcod he gives is derived from LN but not the same, different Guru Yoga?
ratna wrote:Gadjang is tomorrow, today is Machik's Khatsom Chenmo.
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