Completion of the path of Tögal

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Postby ismael » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:25 pm

I have met this couple after they completed 9 years of retreat near Chagdud Gompa in Northern California. Their teacher is (was) Chagdud Tulku Rinpoche. They are authentic practitioners, of that I am sure. They even abandoned successful high profile careers in the art world to do retreat, all the way from Ngondro to Thodgyal practice. What their realization level is I cannot judge since I cannot judge that. But they did do retreat and practiced and would meet and check with their lama regularly until he left this world . In any case, westerners doing 9 years of solitary retreat is a rare enough thing to deserve some respect.

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Postby heart » Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:37 pm

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Postby heart » Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:04 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Completion of the path of Tögal

Postby Sherlock » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:54 am

Not at all, the method he used, the jhanas, he found by accident when he was a boy.

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Re: Completion of the path of Tögal

Postby deepbluehum » Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:44 pm

Visions can be rigpa's appearance if one is resting in rigpa. Otherwise, they are karmic. The appearances of five colors is the linchpin between samsara and nirvana. Just because visions arise doesn't mean de facto the practitioner is resting in rigpa. Visions are helpful to a practitioner because they are reflections of one's pure, uncontrived nature. But one could still impute biases upon the visions and then they are the cause of six realms, five poisons, etc. See Circle of the Sun's discussion of visions as rigdang vs. lungdang, depending on whether one is resting in trekcho.

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Postby Karma Dorje » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:33 pm

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Re: Completion of the path of Tögal

Postby Yudron » Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:02 am

Uncle Ngakpa Magnus, it is not inappropriate in a non-monastic Nyingma retreat for couples to do long term retreat together. We have had, and do have, married couples in retreat together at our facility. This was certainly sanctioned by Dungse Thinley Norbu Rinpoche.

That being said, I don't know how cloistered this couple was. We have an isolated formal group three year retreat facility, and I think the situation at Rigdzin Ling is different.
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Postby heart » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:00 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Completion of the path of Tögal

Postby Lhug-Pa » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:51 am

Although it has been said that sexual contact should be avoided during specific types of Long Life Chulen retreats (whereas some other types of Long Life retreats may actually be enhanced by sexual contact); so I could see why sexual contact might not be recommended during Thögal retreats.

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Re: Completion of the path of Tögal

Postby Dronma » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:50 pm

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Re: Completion of the path of Tögal

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:11 pm

All this fuss over a bunch of eye floaters.

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Re: Completion of the path of Tögal

Postby pemachophel » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:14 am

Magnus,

"I think this is pretty common situation in the west, although very unusual in Tibet." I'm not so sure about this. The current Pora Tulku, Paltrul Rinpoche, was recognized as a tulku after he was an adult and already married. He did his three-year retreat along with his wife.

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Re: Completion of the path of Tögal

Postby JohnRammy » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:45 am

Retreats are just an arbitrary invention of Tibetan monasticism.

Do you think the Vajrayana founders, the 84 Mahasiddhas, went on freaking retreat?

Unless you are a monk, you don't need to adhere to monastic stuff.
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Re: Completion of the path of Tögal

Postby conebeckham » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:53 am

Yes, I think the Mahasiddhas went on "freaking" retreat. After all, it says so in the accounts of the Mahasiddhas.

Retreat is not merely "monastic."


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Re: Completion of the path of Tögal

Postby JohnRammy » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:56 am

Everything lacks the identity (atman) imputed by mere conceptual labels.

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Re: Completion of the path of Tögal

Postby Karma Dorje » Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:54 am

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