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 Post subject: Thich Nhat Hahn
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:12 am 
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Where exactly does Thich Nhat Hanh's Buddhism lie? He's often described as a Zen master yet he doesn't come across as Zen. He mixes his teachings with Theravada Sutta's and Pure land teachings as well. Is Vietnamese Buddhism like this in general or has TNH pretty much invented a new inclusive tradition?


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 Post subject: Re: Thich Nhat Hahn
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:46 am 
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I don't know where it lie, someone maybe knows here. But this brings another question: what kind of rules a teacher must keep in order to awaken beings? Should a teachers' teaching be limited by style, a teaching as pure fresh nature its awakening bell?

ps. Buddha gave many teachings. Many genuine teachers are using examples from other traditions as well. But they know clearly what they are doing.

One sentence is very useful for me: "For things to reveal themselves to us, we need to be ready to abandon our views about them.” Thich Nhat Hahn.



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 Post subject: Re: Thich Nhat Hahn
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I think the spirit of TNHs teachings are in line with zen, however his approach is not orthodox zen. He has mixed aspects of other traditions IMO to make his tradition more applicable to the western world.

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 Post subject: Re: Thich Nhat Hahn
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Nhat Hanh's approach has been to combine a variety of traditional Zen teachings with insights from other Mahayana Buddhist traditions, methods from Theravada Buddhism, and ideas from Western psychology—to offer a modern light on meditation practice. Hanh's presentation of the Prajñāpāramitā in terms of "interbeing" has doctrinal antecedents in the Huayan school of thought, which "is often said to provide a philosophical foundation" for Zen.

Source: The Making of Buddhist Modernism (2008)

Vietnamese Buddhism in general is very eclectic, with many followers of Pure Land, Zen, Tiantai and Theravada traditions. In the 13th century Vietnamese Zen was somewhat fused with Confucianism and Taoism, but by the 18th century Zen returned to its roots with the founding of the Liễu Quán school. That being said, I think it's safe to say Thich Nhat Hanh is quite admirably doing his own thing.

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When you ask "Is it Zen?", what you may have in mind is a story of Linji shouting or Dogen sitting all day. In fact, Zen is just a short word for Buddhism. Does TNH teach Buddhism?

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 Post subject: Re: Thich Nhat Hahn
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Greg_the_poet wrote:
Where exactly does Thich Nhat Hanh's Buddhism lie? He's often described as a Zen master yet he doesn't come across as Zen. He mixes his teachings with Theravada Sutta's and Pure land teachings as well. Is Vietnamese Buddhism like this in general or has TNH pretty much invented a new inclusive tradition?


Vietnamese Buddhism is very similar to (southern) Chinese Buddhism. Chinese Chan includes a huge range of Mahayana Buddhist practices. Some may call this "syncretic", but that would imply that these things were or should be separated in the first place - an attitude that Chinese seldom took. The use of the Japanese term "Zen" is probably due to this being more well known in the West. Ven. Hanh was also heavily influenced by the 20th cty Chinese Buddhist modernist movement. A key member of this was Ven. Yinshun - who Ven. Hanh cites as a major influence for him - who used a huge range of mainly Indian works, from Agamas / Nikayas, to Mahayana sutra and sastra. Similar to the Vietnamese monk Thich Min Chau. As this sort of modernism is now very common in Chinese and also Vietnamese Buddhism, I would say that it is fairly representative, and not at all a "new inclusive tradition". One really needs to compare with his contemporaries, rather than say Western presentations of Japanese Zen.

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 Post subject: Re: Thich Nhat Hahn
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Ven. Hahn was brought up in the Rinzai Zen tradition. However, he combines various other schools, such as Theravada, and Pure Land, into his teachings. This was actually quite common in Vietnam, which took a kind of similar approach to Buddhism that the Chinese did, which was to not really separate all the various teachings into various schools, as if they were not all important to the Buddhist path.

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